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Roy G
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Morning Del
I too found the William of 1831 and the Ashurst marriage in 1820, but had no idea on the Ditchling connection. Did this come from one of the censuses because I gather from what you write, you do have parts of the family from the 1841 census onwards?
Looks as though you will have quite a number of siblings to follow up because you have now may have added and Edward and Jane, and I get the gut feeling that there ought to be a daughter called Hannah in there somewhere too.
Have looked up William 1831, Edward 1821 and Jane 1822 on Genes, and no interested parties are listed. To my mind, (especially if they fail to appear in the 1841 census) you will probably have to start looking them up in the Steyning and Brighton church burial registers. The latter is no picnic for I believe they are un indexed and around the 1830s up to 1000 people died every year in Brighton. So much for its reputation as a health resort.
One death you may find in 1825-1826 is an earlier Robert James Cox. For although I found his baptism in June 1826 when the family were in Manchester Row, another Robert James Cox was also baptised to Edward and Hannah Cox in June 1825 when they were living in Queens Row. I feel they must have therefore lost a son and replaced him.
Note Re Ditchling Hill and lime burning.
Probability not fact, but it is likely that the lime burning took place in an area of Brighton/Preston now called Hollingdean. It was there that Brightons insanitary waste was also disposed of by burning (read about Brighton's scavengers and night soil men) and plaster for internal rendering was made. Some time later that same site became what we former locals called "The Dust Distructor" and the tall chimney for it was ironically built in the early 20th century by the local building firm, Field and COX. In the 1820's though, that area of Hollingdean also contained the main well and pumping station of the Brighton, Preston and Hove Water Company that appears later in your family history.
Roy G
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justme
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Hello Roy,
I have some census info from a free trial back in 2006 and later from the Brighton library and am now hoping to follow up some of this info......We held a great family reunion a few weeks back and lots of people are curious about Charles' life pre Aust. and also his family.
From Charles' death cert in Aust 1915, we know he was born in Brighton and his father was Edward Cox, manager of Water Works (I know.....his position is a little overstated)
From the 1841 census I know that Charles was living at the Reservoir with father Edward, mother Hannah and siblings Robert, Richard and Victoria.
From 1851 census Edward is said to be a turncock, Hannah is still there and so is Richard and Victoria, along with Albert, aged 9yrs and visitor Kitty Langridge aged 4yrs. All at the Reservoir.
From 1861 census, Reservoir Cottage, Islingword Rd., I have Edward, still turncock to water company, Hannah, his wife and then Hannah Langridge, grandaughter, aged 14yrs.
Don't know where Hannah/Kitty fit in. Looks like there must be an older daughter somewhere who married a Langridge.
From Hannah's death cert, 1866, Edward and Hannah were at 1 Jubilee Court, Brighton. On Edwards death cert in1867, he died at 28 Holland St., with Thomas Marchant (Victoria's husband) as informant.
At the moment I have been looking up Rootsweb freecen and whilst there is lots of info there, parts aren't covered. It's good for me to start with.
Sorry to be so long winded but that's the picture for me at the moment. Coxs and Langridges....how do they fit 
Bye from Del
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Roy G
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Wasnt long winded, it was informative enough to assist us to help you further.
[1] Jane Cox married Richard Langridge in Brighton in the December quarter of 1846.
I recall Edward and Hannah having a daughter Jane born Steyning 1822.
The IGI gives their marriage date as 30 Nov 1846, Richard's father as John, Janes father as Edward.
Given her age and social background, dont be surprised if Richard turned out to be Jane's second husband.
This couple are on the 1851 Brighton census (folio 433) at 20 Hanover Street with sons Richard 6 (born Shoreham) and James 3 born Brighton. You therefore have to ask yourself why Kitty (Catherine?) / Hannah was not with her parents. Was she or was she not, Richard's child?
[2] You have Edward and family in 1841 at 'The Reservoir.' Question: Which one?
Suspect it may have been the one in formerly owned by the Brighton Hove and Preston Water company (formed in 1825) which pumped water from an underground stream in the Lewes Road, Preston to the reservoir near Queens Park on Brighton's eastern slopes.
Dr William Granville (Spars of England 1841) described the water from there as,
"indifferent, depositing a reddish sand and its colour is dingy, rather like that of tea"
S C Homersham added in The British Parliamentry Papers, (Urban areas Water Supply Vol 5 page 411)
"three days after cleansing, this reservoir was one mass of growth of conferae and insect matter"
Sorry about all that but Brighton's sanitation and water supply is one of my pet subjects.
For other snippets of information on Brighton's various water companies, try to find a library that has a copy of the 1848-1849 Sanitation Report on Brighton by Edward Cresy. And for an abstract from it, giving frightening but honest information on the streets where your ancestors once lived, have a look at 'Brighton Down the Drain' by me, on the East Brighton Bygones website.
Roy G
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justme
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Hi again Roy,
I looked again at the 1841 census and it says "Lodge at Reservoir" was where Edward and family lived. At the top of the page, under "PLACE" it has Hanover Street and on next page also Hanover Street....so looks like "Lodge at Reservoir" was in or close to Hanover Street. 1851 census just says "Reservoir", with Hanover Terrace above and Hanover Place below. The 1861 census has Reservoir Cottage, Islingword Road with (I think, hard to read) Cobden Road above and below.
Very pleased to hear about your pet subject, giving us an insight into The Cox's lives. I haven't been able to open the Bygones website....not sure what's going on. Hoping I will be able to check it out soon....impatiently waiting.
Goodness, have just discovered that Charles was convicted of stealing a pair of half boots from Edward Bond, dealer in beer, 22 Hanover Street, on Tuesday night, 3 November, 1846.....next door to where Richard and his sister Jane came to live after their marriage on 30 Nov !!!  . 22 Hanover Street was called the Little Fox......got that info from My B&H.
Yes, there is a bit of a mystery with Kitty/Hannah. I have in 1861, at 64 Albion Street, Richard and Jane Langridge (he is 44 and she is 43) with sons James, 13yrs and William, 5yrs. Next door at 62 Albion Street is Thomas and Victoria Marchant nee Cox with Thomas' 6 children from a previous marriage (or maybe they're rels.) and their baby daughter. Also at 62 Albion Street is Robert and Caroline Cox and their 3 children......lots of people there. Wonder what happened to Kitty/Hannah. Have to look at 1871 census.
Thankyou for your help with this,
Del
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Roy G
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Hi Del
I knew of the Islingwood Road reservoir, but not of one in the vicinity of Hanover Street, for most early Brighton reservoirs used gravity to feed the water into the consumer's houses, so the places they were built were usually near the tops of hills to give the water greater pressure and the potential to serve more homes.
I cant visualise a small additional pumping station in the area, even though Hanover Street was almost over the underground river that ran beneath the Lewes Road feeding the wells in the Barracks, Fryco, the Hollingdean pumping station and Tamplins brewery.
The only other logical thought is that The Lodge was at the Islingwood Road reservoir, but prior to any other roads off the upper reaches of Islingwood being built.
Roy G
post script Hope you've now got into the Bygones site and enjoyed my submission.
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