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Bowrie
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Adam Bruce
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Hi,
Does anybody have any information on an Adam Bruce unsure of birth year but acording to all the records i can find he had a son Alexander Bruce (1852) to a Margaret Forbes in Cluny Aberdeenshire.
Margaret married a william McIntosh in Cluny Dec 1859 and Alexander's Marriage entry shows Adam bruce as Deceased this was in 1880 other than that i have no other information on Adam Bruce.
Any information would be most gratefull.
Regards,
Iain
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KirstyG
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Hi Iain,
Which records do you refer to? I've had a look on Scotland's People and can't find the birth of Alexander. Was he listed under his mother's name?
I have no credits left to check, but the only birth I could find would seem to correlate to the son of James Bruce and Margaret Robertson in Old Machar (as on the IGI). I apologise if i am wrong!
I presume that Margaret and Adam never married then? No mention of another name for Margaret at her marriage in 1859?
Have you found any of them in census records?
Kirsty
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Bowrie
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Hi Kirsty,
I have a copy of Alexander Bruce marriage entry to Isabella Longmuir from 1880 in Brechin which mentions Adam Bruce as the Father and deceased i worked out his birth year from here as this was in dec of 1880, i have checked the OPR but can not find Alexander listed their although his Mother Maragert Forbes is listed in the opr as June 1831, i have checked all the census records and an find no trace of him, this is very hard as i do not have a lue where and when Adam Bruce as born all i know is that he was a Farm labourer hich is a pretty common occupation at this time.
Regards,
Iain Bruce
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KirstyG
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There is one possibility, on the IGI there is an extracted entry for the birth of
ALEXANDER FORBES
13th July 1856, Old Machar, Aberdeen.
Mother MARGARET FORBES.
As we know Adam and Margaret didn't marry, and it is quite normal for an illegitimate child to be registered under the mother's name, but use the Father's surname as they get older.
The age is a little bit off, but it is quite possible he lied!
There are a few men by the name of Adam Bruce in the census records who could potentially be the father of Alexander.
This is a puzzle indeed!
Kirsty
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denisekemp22
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Hi there
I too have a Bruce/Forbes dilema. My grandmother was either Helen Bruce or Forbes and was born around 1903. She had my father in 1933 and was known as Helen Forbes or Bruce, but when she registered his birth, she signed the birth cert as Helen Bruce. My father was brough up by a relative and not formally adopted. Helen Bruce/Forbes had 2 other children born before 1933. Oh for a crystal ball....
Denise
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denisekemp22
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Hi there
Did wonder about this Helen Bruce/Forbes. I have a copy of her death cert but think she is too old. If the info on the midwifery register is to be belived, she should have been born about 1903. Not sure if I should try to find her son, or any of his relatives for any information on her.
Denise
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ibi
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Hi Iain
As you know the 1880 marriage register entry for Alexander shows his parents thus, -
Adam Russell
Farm Servant
(deceased)
Margaret Forbes Married
to William McIntosh
(Ploughman)
In other words Alexander was most probably the illegitimate child of Margaret Forbes, who later married William McIntosh
As noted earlier, the ALEXANDER FORBES born 13th July 1856, Old Machar, Aberdeen, Mother MARGARET FORBES, is a wee bit on the young side for the 1880 Alexander shown as 28, for which the inferred years of birth would be 1851/50.
Due mainly to the Disruption in 1843 anything up to 60% of the birth records could be missing from the OPRs.
A quick trawl in the 1841 and 1851 censuses doesn't immediately produced any likely looking entries for an Adam BRUCE in Angus, or the counties of Kincardine or Aberdeen.
An associated problem is that many farm servants were highly mobile 
Searching in the ScotlandsPeople on-line death index in all Scotland on the basis of an Adam aged 20 or greater in the period 1855 to 1880 only produces 5 hits, but there are no 'local' matches, so to write, in terms of location.
ibi
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denisekemp22
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Hi Ibi
Dont know much about Helen at all. From the midwifery records, her name is stated as Helen Forbes or Bruce, on my fathers birth cert, she is Helen Bruce formerly Forbes. There was no dob for her anywhere. It has given her residence as Mains of Kair, Fordoun and she was employed as a domestic servant. I have been down there and asked around and have spoken to the present owners of the main house, but as its so long ago, nobody has any info for me. Dont think that the other 2 children have the same father as my father. Speak about skeletons in cupboards... 
Denise
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