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mgscott
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Help to find John Scott of Hawick
« on: Wednesday 08 July 09 18:02 UTC (UK) »

Arrgh.  I've blown my allowance on Scotlandspeople trying to solve this myself from across the seas but now hope some good Samaritan will bail me out.

I know that my John Scott in question was born July 1, 1869 in Hermiston, Lilliesleaf, Rox, (son of Robert Scott and Jane (MS) Scott).   I can't find him in census reports but i have found him as witness to his parents deaths so i know he was living on Wellington Street in Hawick in 1908 and still there in 1922.  But I know nothing more of him?

Did he marry? Have children? His trade? Where did he die and when?

Any help appreciated as I'm now stumped?

Merv
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Re: Help to find John Scott of Hawick
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 20:46 UTC (UK) »

Only 4 John Scotts died in Hawick and yours was a Grocer retired living in Weens Cottage Hopkirk where he died on 11th December 1939 aged 70yrs with parents Robert and Jane Scott and witnessed by his son Robert Scott 7 Wellington Road Hawick. JoHn Scott was a widower of Bessie Simpson presumably Elizabeth Simpson as my mother was also a Bessie.
Hope this helps to get you going forward or back.
alan
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Re: Help to find John Scott of Hawick
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 July 09 21:27 UTC (UK) »

Hi Merv  Smiley

With the info from Alan, this looks like John in 1901:

John Scott 31, Grocer's Assistant, b. Lilliesleaf, Roxburghshire
Bessie Scott 31, b. Hawick, Roxburghshire
Robert Scott 4, b. Hawick, Roxburghshire
Helen Scott 1, b. Hawick, Roxburghshire

Address: 13a Wellington Str, Hawick

Monica
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Re: Help to find John Scott of Hawick
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 09 July 09 00:54 UTC (UK) »

Amazing.  I had earlier download from Scotlanspeople the 1908 Death cert of his father where John had signed as witness.  John gave his address as 13a Wellington Road, Hawick.  You've certainly found him and his family.

When his mother died in 1922 he again served as witness but had moved to 16 Wellington Road.

You found him and now I know of his wife and children.  Wonderful stuff.

I was surprised I couldn't find him later.....not even his death record or a cemetery marker?  Any suggestions?

Thank you Monica and Alan
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Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
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Re: Help to find John Scott of Hawick
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 09 July 09 08:21 UTC (UK) »

Hi Merv

Alan has already found his 1939 death certificate in Hawick from the information he posted  earlier Smiley

There is a death showing for a Bessie Simpson/Scott in 1927 (b.1869) in Hawick which is likely to be John's wife. Given that he reported his mother's death in 1922 and showed as living in Hawick likely this is the correct death for his wife.

Monica  Smiley

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Re: Help to find John Scott of Hawick
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 09 July 09 15:35 UTC (UK) »

Yikes.  I absolutely missed Alan's posting!  Thanks for being so polite in directing me to it.  Alan please accept my apologies.  I've now downloaded that death cert and it's a great resource for me. 

Thanks to you both for painting a very nice picture of what happened to this family.  A day earlier I was completely nowhere and at my wits end.

There are no less 18 Roberts, born about 1897, who married in Rox. in that 1920-1930 range.  If you haven't given up on me, can you somehow point me to the right one?

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Scott-Ettrickbridge, Ashkirk
Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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Re: Help to find John Scott of Hawick
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 09 July 09 18:08 UTC (UK) »

Hard to find son Robert's marriage without starting with some assumptions...anything else would be too horrible!

His parents remained in Hawick. When he reported his father's death in 1939, he gave an address in Hawick (from Alan's details: 7 Wellington Road Hawick). Did he also marry in Hawick?! There are five marriages showing on line at SPin Hawick between 1917-33 and the cut off date for marriage searches on SP.

The other route open, which is not practical with you I think not being UK based, would be a look up of the electoral roll for these years at that address which would I imagine at least show a first initial for his wife (assuming he married  Roll Eyes).

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Re: Help to find John Scott of Hawick
« Reply #7 on: Monday 13 July 09 15:25 UTC (UK) »

I've been pondering this and wonder if there is another route for me as well. 

Since we now know that John Scott died in Dec 11, 1939 at Weens Cottage, Hobkirk...after a working life as a grocer in Hawick...I wonder if it's at all possible to track down an newspaper obituary? Any ideas who I should contact for that?

Merv
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Stutt-Boyhill, Fermanagh
Newton-North Plantagenet(CAN), Ireland
Grieve-Roberton, Lilliesleaf
Hodgins-Cloughjordan, Tipperary
Elliot-Canonbie, Bogra, Holmhead, Annan, Egremont
Little-Canonbie, Kingsbridgeford, Thirlwall, Wallasey
McAlister-Louth Co., Queen's Co.
Smith-Whitehaven
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Re: Help to find John Scott of Hawick
« Reply #8 on: Monday 13 July 09 18:32 UTC (UK) »

Hi Merv

Hopefully someone with local knowledge can advice.

Have a look at this link http://www.heartofhawick.co.uk/heritagehub/collections/source/death_burial_records.asp 

A further link to local libraries http://www.scotborders.gov.uk/life/educationandlearning/libraries/libraryservices/index.html

There is a section there on records of newspapers.

Monica  Smiley



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