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Danchaslyn
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Bedfordshireboy
Hello David
The info you find is just amazing! Thank you so much 
You must be absolutely right that "River View" was the Kiddle family home. Is Fenstanton still a suburb of St Ives to-day? 
How it brings it all to life to be able to take a tiny peek into their village life in 1918, and how tragic, along with so many others, that Norah's brother, Sgt Robert Kiddle, was killed alongside so many others, during WW1, and, at such a young age! 
I just wish I could find out, where in Scotland, John Ellis and Norah Jean Aitken and their children went to live, after their last, (whenever it was?) return, from Bombay, India??
Thank you, David
Danchaslyn
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JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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Danchaslyn
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Carol8353
Hello Carol
Yes, you're showing off now....................you can do the links, and I can't,..................yet! 
Anyway, yesterday, I couldn't get any of the computer boffs to come into the house, away from the great sunshine  to help me do ALL the links to you.....................and, the main person whom I knew would help me, decided to stay home to watch some sport, or other on Sky TV (and what a great Easter barbecue he missed to!!). 
So, I'm still none the wiser yet how to do it, but will try send you the others, when next a pc wizard visits! 
Hasn't Bedfordshireboy been so clever?! I just love these little insights into how their lives were, all those years ago. 
As I've said, just wish we could find out where in Scotland, the Aitken Family finally ended up living, after their final return from India?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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bedfordshire boy
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Nothing clever! Just google Kiddle St Ives and all sorts comes up including a Kiddle mayor of St Ives in 1901 (from memory), who is probably related. Kiddle isn't a very common name and my grandfather's sister married one in Herts, not far south of St Ives, but I haven't found a connection to Hunts
Fenstanton is a separate parish a couple of miles from St Ives
David
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Danchaslyn
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Bedfordshireboy
Hello David
You are to modest, I still think you have been very clever
Who would have thought that you also have a 'Kiddle' in the family?! 
Thanks for telling me about Fenstanton being a separate parish. I wish we knew if the "River View" property still stands, and is still a family home?
Please tell me David, have you any advice how to find out where the Aitkens went to live, after returning from India?
You see, I don't know where John Ellis Aitken's parents, Sir Robert and Lady Caroline Aitken settled, when they returned to the UK, to live, after he retired from his banking in India. The only clue was info on one of their ship trips when they appear to stay in a London hotel, perhaps they lived in it, when they went to and fro?
So, I would have thought that possibly their son, John Ellis Aitken and Family, might have settled near to them, but definitely one shipping trip had them going onwards to 'Scotland', but where?
But, perhaps the parents had left London by this time and settle in Scotland, in advance of them? Afterall that is where they all originated from!
So many questions.......................??
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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bedfordshire boy
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At http://www.archive.org/stream/countyfamiliesof591919walf/countyfamiliesof591919walf_djvu.txt there's the following bio in the 1919 edition
AITKEN, Sir Robert, Knt.— Cr. 1918.
Fourth son of John Aitken, Esq., of W. Linton, who d.
1913; b. 1863; m. 1894 Caroline Mary, dau. of the
late Theophilus Lobb, Esq., Public Works Department,
India. Sir Robert Aitken is Secretary and Treasurer
of the Bank of Bombay. — Kincllan, Malabar Hill,
Bombay, India ; Bycidla, and R. Bombay Yacht Clubs,
Bombay.
Details of his knighthood can be found in the London Gazette at http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/30825/pages/9111. He was dubbed in India
I would look for the deaths of John and Norah to find out where they died, and then try to work backwards. But I have no experience in Scotland at all so can't give you advice there.
And stick to one thread at a time!
David
PS Bank of Bombay was merged with two other banks in 1921 to form the Imperial Bank of India
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carol8353
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There is some extra info on this thread about this family.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=370842.new;topicseen#new
To find all your threads Danchaslyn,just click on your name in blue to the left of the page and then you will see the second line which says Show the last posts of this RootsChatter. Click on that and you can scroll through past posts.
Or better still (as David said ) don't post the same thing on too many threads at the same time.
Carol
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Danchaslyn
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Hello Bedfordshireboy
David
Thank you so much, you have really come up trumps about Robert Aitken and his wife, for which I am very grateful. The links are very interesting and have answered some of my long unanswered questions!
The bit about the banks merging is pertinent, especially as Robert retired from the Imperial Bank of India, in the position of Managing Governor, at a youngish age, but I don't know when, but am wondering if this might perhaps have been 'forced' on him by the ending of the British Raj?!
Afterall, we know from his Times obituary that he died, aged 60, in London, i.e. 1923.
Or, perhaps, his son, John Ellis Aitken took over from him?
I will certainly take your advice on at least two points, i.e. to try to find the deaths of John Ellis Aitken and Norah Jean Aitken, and to work backwards........................and to try to stick to one thread at a time!
Its such a large family that I thought trying to stick to one generation was ok, but............
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
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Danchaslyn
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Carol8353
Hello Carol
Thank you so much for alerting me about the new reply about Robert Aitken's inlaws' marriage, especially as I have been wanting to know if this family were already established in India, and now I can see, they were from another area.
I feel really foolish saying this, but my name doesn't come up in blue on the side of the page...........but, I'm really grateful for you telling me what to do, should it do so in the future. Again, when one of my family visit, I'll ask them to look into it!
Also, advice heeded, just like David said as well...............
Carol, would you perhaps know how to start to find details on the deaths of folk, possibly in Scotland? Would you have to know the region in which they died?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
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LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
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Danchaslyn
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Aaaahhhhhhh Carol
No,  how silly can I be!!!!!
As I posted I realised that 'my name in blue' is to the left of my posts and not at the top or sides of the whole page as I was looking at!!!!!
Enough said!!
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
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carol8353
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The only way you're going to get deaths in Scotland is by logging on to the pay per view site http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Unless you're near enough to the Genral Record Office in Edinburgh to call in there in person.
Glad you found your name to take you to your previous postings
Carol
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bedfordshire boy
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If Robert died in London aged 60 in 1923 it sounds as though retirement was forced on him by ill health, or even he died in harness, rather than the British Raj which didn't end until 1947. I wouldn't have thought that the top job in an Indian bank was hereditary, particularly when John was only 27 when his father died
In case John and Norah died in England you need to trawl through the GRO indexes quarter by quarter, which you can do on Ancestry.com if you have a subscription - if not you could consider a trial subscription.
David
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Danchaslyn
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Hi Carol
Thank you for the link and what a good excuse for a trip to Edinburgh!
Want to go look round the graveyards round West Linton, Kirkurd, Torphichen etc anyway....so will have to plan for soonest.
Have you or anyone had personal experience of the General Records Office in Edinburgh?
Is it something that is done fairly quickly, or do you wait hours and hours?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
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Danchaslyn
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Hello David
Thank you and yes, I'd noticed that as Robert had died at such a relatively young age, that his banking career must have been over before usual retirement, or, possibly in those days, 'dying in harness', as many must have done!
With regard to his son John Ellis Aitken, both, started out as bank clerks, his father, Robert, in a bank, I don't know which, in Scotland, when he was only 15 - 16. As they were both bankers, I've wondered if John Ellis Aitken was in the same banks as his father and possibly followed in his footsteps?
I looked through all the Viceroys of India, to see which one dubbed Robert in 1918 and it was surprising to see how many men have held that position!
I also read up quite a bit about political conditions round about 1918 - 47, in India, and there were many upheavals, battles being fought, so perhaps, also, living conditions were not quite so cushy as they might previously have been.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
You certainly have a point that possibly John Ellis and Norah Jean Aitken didn't necessarily die in Scotland, or, indeed, ever end up living in Scotland?
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LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
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My paternal grandmother, Ellen Lobb, was the younger sister of Lady Caroline Aitken. Ellen was born in India about 1877 but went to a boarding school in St.Neots in Huntingdonshire. I have too much information to include in a simple reply but have photgraphs of their mother, Sophia, and will be happy to provide further info. I am new to this website and am still trying to find my way around!
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