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Danchaslyn
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Hello
Searching for descendants and any family info on John Ellis and Norah Aitken, of 1920's onwards, River View, St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England, possibly in late 30's, went to live Scotland? 
John Aitken was a Banker in India and the family lived both in India, possibly Bombay and St Ives.
John was born in India, 1896. Any info on his sister Marjory Grace, b India 1898?
Thanks
Danchaslyn
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JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
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SMITH, various counties of England
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Danchaslyn
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Hello
Anyone out there perhaps live in St Ives?
Is the property, known as "River View, still there please? A long shot, I know, but I'm presuming its within sight of the river?
The Aitkens kept this house on for decades whilst they travelled to and fro India.
Thank you
Danchaslyn
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AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
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Danchaslyn
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Hello
As I have ultra slow 'dial-up' internet only, I would be so grateful if someone could please look up Census returns for me, hoping to find more info on Aitken Family of St Ives, Hunting, Doushire, England. 
John Ellis Aitken, b. India 1896, seems to have lived both in India and in St Ives, Hunting, Doushire, a possible address I have is "River View", St Ives, Huntingdonshire, England.
His wife is Norah Aitken, and they have at least one daugher, Elizabeth, b.1931?
John was a Banker. They may have returned to the UK for good in 1936 and gone on to live in Scotland?
Any info very much appreciated.
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
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bedfordshire boy
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There's no John Aitken born India in the 1901 census. The 1911 census index is available at http://www.1911census.co.uk/ , but I can't see him. There are no other censuses available on which he might appear
David
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carol8353
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The family appear on Ancestry's inward passenger lists quitye a few times,in 1932 they come back from Bombay with Elizabeth aged 1 and a half and Robert aged 7.The address they give here is C/o Thomas Cook London.
Later he seems to be down as James,but Norah is still the same and they have another daughter who I will not name here as it is likely she is still alive.
The last time they are appear on the inwards shipping lists is June 1953 and yes they do have a Scottish address.......76 Hudston Road,Burnbanks,Lanarkshire.
James is down as Inland Water Transport,Norah a housewife and Elizabeth a student.
They travelled in from Calcutta and said they intend to reside in England for the future.
Hope that helps
Carol
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Danchaslyn
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Hi Bedfordshire Boy
Thank you for your time and trouble....................I'm mystified.........also, have just tried to quote from another section of RootsChat to help us both, but not being very clever with pc's don't know how to move a posting from one section to another.
Anyway, if you can look up in Scotland, Peebles-Shire, Aitken, you will see that Joekar tells me that 1901 Census, John Ellis Aitken, with his sister, were living with their Grandparents in West Linton, Scotland. Both Grandhcildren were born in India.
Much later, in another posting, John Ellis Aitken and his wife Norah and children, return by sea, from India, 1936, arriving Liverpool, heading for St Ives, Huntingdonshire. And somewhere else, someone gave me the address of River View, St Ives, Huntingdonshire. 
I appreciate that they returned from India during 1936, but I think this was their final visit 'home' to settle, as they had been travelling back and forth to India, for years. 
As there have been other generations of my family in both Scotland and India, I wondered if perhaps the 1911 Census might show, that prior to the 1920's - 1930's, that they already had their home at River View?
John Ellis Aitken, is my Great Uncle's son, I don't know what that makes him to me?
My G Uncle Robert, left Scotland and was a Banker in India, and he and his family went to and fro, so perhaps they had the house in St Ives?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
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Danchaslyn
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Hi Carol18353
Oh wow, that is so interesting................certainly fits in a lot with what I've been told, but with so many more details.
Please tell me as much as you can about them? Anyone you don't want to name, perhaps you might personal message me?
I've just replied to BedfordshireBoy and you see from my posting that I've been trying for so long to find out about this side of my family. I've also posted in 'Other Countries' in St Helena, and also in 'Immigrants and Emigrants', and in 'Cornwall' in England (I thought St Ives was in Cornwall!  ) and Peeble-shire In Scotland, and under another Aitken, in Lanarkshire, some else's thread.
Richard Aitken, b. 12/5/1874, another brother of Robert Aitken, b. 11/5/1863 and Thomas Aitken, 4/4/1871 (My Grandfather), went either to South Africa, USA or Canada, I'm still trying to trace what happened to him.
They were all born, along with another brother and a sister, Elizabeth, 3/8/1865, Kirkurd, Peeble-Shire, Scotland.
Thanks so much for your help. 
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
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Danchaslyn
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Hi Carol18353
Meant to ask, how is it that a person becomes James Aitken, from being John Ellis Aitken?
Would that be like a nickname that he assumed?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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YUILL, U.S.A.
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bedfordshire boy
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I have a feeling that James and Norah Evelyn were a different couple to John Ellis and Norah in the Immigration records
Scotland is a different census country to England, and as you posted on the Hunts, England board I assumed you were asking for a look up that included Hunts. It would have been helpful to have said you already had him in 1901 in Scotland. If he was still in Scotland in 1911 I don't have access to the Scotland 1911 census.
The 1911 index for England is free. There is no subscription as yet - it's pay per view for everyone who wants to see the transcript/image of an entry. I can't see an Aitken living in St Ives in the index
David
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carol8353
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Danchaslyn
I will PM you later with more info-in middle of cooking dinner for family coming soon 
The ages all tally David,from the first ships list you see them on-1932 and John is listed as John Ellis Aitken -a banker.
I know John's are often referred to as Jack,but James is odd I do agree!
When I have time I will list them all chronoligically(sp?)they give an address of Selsdon Surrey at one stage.
Oops off to sort the dinner out.
Carol
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bedfordshire boy
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Sorry Carol, I don't agree that ages tally. John was born c1896 according to passenger lists; James was younger - b 1902/3 and had a different occupation. That they were two families seems to be confirmed by both families returning to England in early 1936, with there being an age difference of 7 years between John and James
May 1931 from Calcutta to Lanarkshire
James 29 Shipping clerk
Norah Evelyn 26
1932 from Bombay
John Ellis 36 Banker
Norah 32
Robert 7
Elizabeth 1 ½
Feb 1936 from Bombay to St Ives
John Ellis 40 Banker
Norah 36
Elizabeth 5
May 1936 from Bombay to Hoddesden Herts
James 33 clerk
Norah E 31
Elizabeth 4
May 1938 to River View, St Ives from Bombay
Norah 38
Eliz 7
Nov 1847 Selsdon Surrey
James 45 Gov’t official
Norah 43
Eliz 15
Dau 10
Jun 1953 Lanarkshire, Scotland from Calcutta
James, Norah, Elizabeth. Inland water transport
The May 1938 arrival of Norah and Elizabeth ties up with the information that they returned to the UK in the late 1930's although I can't find when John returned
David
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Danchaslyn
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Hi Bedfordshireboy ......... David
Thanks again for your help. Firstly, to clear up about posting in Huntingdonshire! This family of Aitkens, is large and far flung around the globe, very difficult to trace, as I mentioned previously, I'm having to search in Scotland, England, St Helena, South Africa, India, USA and Canada.
Both John Ellis Aitken, b. India, 1896 and his sister, Marjory Grace, b.1898, India, I assume in Bombay, as that is where my Gt Uncle Robert Aitken, was a Banker. For generations these Aitkens were all living around the Edinburgh area of Scotland, until the late 19C and they took off around the world.
Suddenly, 1901 Scottish Census has John Ellis Aitken and his sister, Marjory Grace, left India, and living in Scotland, with their Grandparents, John & Grace Aitken and their daughter, Elizabeth, in West Linton.
John Ellis Aitken, when he grew up, also became a Banker in India, again, I assume, in Bombay, with his father, Robert? I think, the Norah he married, was Norah Jean Kiddle of St Ives, Huntingdonshire?
I was given the address of River View, St Ives, but no idea when the Aitkens lived here, hence my enquiry in Huntingdonshire, England, and the English Census look up request.
I also realise that Scotland doesn't yet have the 1911 Census and that look ups in other Census' are free, but, as I said, I have very, very, very slow 'dial - up' internet only, can't download maps, etc, all v difficult.
Again, for all I know, the Aitkens are still in St Ives??? and the Kiddles ?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
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SMITH, various counties of England
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Danchaslyn
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Hi Bedfordshireboy ...................David
I'm sure with your expertise you will be able to sort out which are the right John Ellis and Norah. I'm inclined to agree with you, that John Ellis and Norah are 'my' Aitkens, and not, James/John Aitken and Norah Evelyn Aitken.
My John Ellis Aitken was definitely a banker in India, like his father, unlikely that he was a 'govt official' etc.
Wonder if "River View", St Ives, was a home belonging to Norah's family, possibly, the Kiddles? This could explain why the Aitkens can't be found on the Census at this address!
Having gone through the various folk and ages and dates posted by yourself and Carol, I'm inclined to agree with your view that they are two different families.
Once again, thank you very, very much
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
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Danchaslyn
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Hi Carol8353
Thank you so much for all your help and hope that you've had a wonderful Easter meal with your family? wonder if you've had a chance yet to pers message me?
I'm finding trying to trace all these Aitkens so difficult, and confusing and the threads in my other sites are so difficult, some of them, to collate and follow. 
No one ever seems able to give me any info at all about Richard Aitken, b 12/5/1874, West Linton, Scotland, who also went into banking, but he could be in the USA, Canada, or South Africa?
You will see from my previous postings, that I've had the idea that possibly the River View address in St Ives, as Bedfordshireboy says there are no Aitkens there in the Census, might then be the home of his wife, or his in-laws? I think, but don't know for certain, that his wife was Norah Jean Kiddle.
If it will help you, please refer to the Aitken thread in Peebles-Shire, Scotland, in Rootschat and you can see who and where, what for etc, John Ellis' parents were.
Many, many thanks
Danchaslyn
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WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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carol8353
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Hello there
Having looked at all the ships passenger lists in date order I now find myself agreeing with David.They seem to be two different families,and with the latets info from yourself,that Norah may have had the middle name of Jean,just about clinches it.The one on the later trips back from India was Norah Elizabeth and that linked with James and not John does look like it's two different families.
Do you know if they married here or in India? Especially as daughter Elizabeth was born out there?
Carol
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