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Re: John Brunt / Mary Marsh, Eckington
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 29 March 09 11:09 UTC (UK) »

I've just had a look on the freebmd for years 1870 to 1874 and only one John Brunt birth comes up for the district Chesterfield, which would cover Eckington.

June 1872 district Chesterfield, vol 7b page 613
John Brunt

This would give you his parents' names.
If you get it please let us know the names, we're always very interested  Wink

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Re: John Brunt / Mary Marsh, Eckington
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 29 March 09 23:54 UTC (UK) »

Hi,
This research is just an idea - you should check with the various Registration Certificates.

In 1871 you have John & Hannah E Brunt with their family on the Census
Tracing John Brunt born abt 1842 Whitwell, Derbys from the earliest Census he could be on you get:-

1851 Census HO107/2122 Folio 531 Pg 33:-
Brunt  Farris  (actually JARVIS) widow Head 39   Whitwell
"    Elizabeth                                        D      13     "
"    George                                           S      12     "
"    JOHN                                              S        9      "
"   Thomas                                           s        7      "
"    Ann                                                D       5       "

(the name JARVIS must have a connection)
Jarvis was Bpt 18.1.1812 Whitwell son of John & Hannah (IGI information)

1861 Cenus RG9/2535 Folio 58 Pg 12
BRUNT JOHN     Servant  19   Carter        Whitwell  working and living in the same household is
Haddock Elizabeth   "     21  House Servant    Eckington.

Possible birth Registration  Hannah Elizabeth Haddock Sept. Q 1841 Chesterfield 19 467

More evidence is the birth:-
JERVIS BRUNT HADDOCK  March Q 1862 Chesterfield 7b 535

The Marriage previously posted June Q 1864 Sheffield, has a missing bride the only way to
discover this is to go through all the marriages on Ancestry.co.uk.  for June Q 1864 looking
for a marriage marked Sheffield, if you do not wish to buy a certificate.

It is important to look at the actual Census Sheet for 1881 RG11/3441 Folio 27 Pg 48
John Brunt is not listed as "Stepson"  it states "ADOPTED SON", it is quite possible that
Thomas Lakin with whom he is living saved him from entering an institution.  It is doubtful
if there was an actual adoption - just keeping him until he is able to work etc.  Jarvis Brunt, his
brother, is also living with Thomas Larkin, however having no family connection to the head of
the household he is only shown as a Lodger.

Hope this helps
Spendlove


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Re: John Brunt / Mary Marsh, Eckington
« Reply #17 on: Monday 30 March 09 08:43 UTC (UK) »

This is the 1881 entry.

Dwelling:   Fanshawe Lane
   Census Place:   Eckington, Derby, England
   Source:   FHL Film 1341823     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 3441    Folio 27    Page 48
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Thomas LAKIN   U   50    M   Burbidge, Leicester, England
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Brickmaker
John BRUNT       9    M   Eckington, Derby, England
   Rel:   Step Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Jarvis BRUNT   U   20    M   Eckington, Derby, England
   Rel:   Boarder
   Occ:   Coal Miner
Elizabeth HODGSON   W   47    F   Eckington, Derby, England
   Rel:   Serv
   Occ:   Housekeeper
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Re: John Brunt / Mary Marsh, Eckington
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 14 April 09 15:13 UTC (UK) »

Hi
The Birth certificate and Marriage cert for John Brunt have arrived and I thought I'd let you know the details seeing as you were kind enough to help me.

My Gt Grandfather John Brunt was born 30 March 1872, at Eckington, his mother is recorded as Hannah Elizabeth Brunt formerly Haddock, occupation of father Colliery labourer. I'm not sure how this fits in with the introduction of Hulley as her surname in your reply, but I guess it may well fit in with your theory that that she may have been married previously before marrying John Brunt (snr) and then moving in with Thomas Lakin and that Jarvis was child from original marriage.

John Brunt coal miner aged 26 married Mary Marsh aged 20 on 10 July 1897 at Eckington church. Bother Johns father John Brunt (coalminer)and Mary's father Charles Marsh (brickmaker) were deceased at time of the marriage.

I've have not had much chance to delve any further as yet but one thing did strike me straight away was the 1861 census which shows the following people at Marsh Lane Eckington
William Walker Head Wid 34 Farmer 50 acres
Alexander B Walker Son 8 Scholar
John Brunt Serv unmarried 19 Carter born Whitwell
Elizabeth Haddock Servant  It states she was married but husband does not seem to have been around that night!

Thanks very much for your help
Dave

Hi,

If you read the actual Census Sheet for 1871 Census   RG10/3618/25/44    the age of
Hannah E. Hulley is actualy 37, given this age she could have been married previously
and the son Jarvis age 9 could be from her previous marriage.  He may not be illigitmate.


Marriage June Q 1864 Sheffield 9C 421 Certainly looks possible, however there is a
bride missing from this entry. 

Spendlove

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Re: John Brunt / Mary Marsh, Eckington
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 14 April 09 15:16 UTC (UK) »

Hi Silvery
The Birth certificate and Marriage cert for John Brunt have arrived and I thought I'd let you know the details seeing as you were kind enough to help me.

My Gt Grandfather John Brunt was born 30 March 1872, at Eckington, his mother is recorded as Hannah Elizabeth Brunt formerly Haddock, occupation of father Colliery labourer. I'm not sure how this fits in with the introduction of Hulley as her surname, but I guess it may well fit in with the  theory that that she may have been married previously before marrying John Brunt (snr) and then moving in with Thomas Lakin and that Jarvis was child from original marriage.

John Brunt coal miner aged 26 married Mary Marsh aged 20 on 10 July 1897 at Eckington church. Bother Johns father John Brunt (coalminer)and Mary's father Charles Marsh (brickmaker) were deceased at time of the marriage.

I've have not had much chance to delve any further as yet but one thing did strike me straight away was the 1861 census which shows the following people at Marsh Lane Eckington
William Walker Head Wid 34 Farmer 50 acres
Alexander B Walker Son 8 Scholar
John Brunt Serv unmarried 19 Carter born Whitwell
Elizabeth Haddock Servant  It states she was married but husband does not seem to have been around that night!

Thanks very much for your help
Dave


I've just had a look on the freebmd for years 1870 to 1874 and only one John Brunt birth comes up for the district Chesterfield, which would cover Eckington.

June 1872 district Chesterfield, vol 7b page 613
John Brunt

This would give you his parents' names.
If you get it please let us know the names, we're always very interested  Wink


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Re: John Brunt / Mary Marsh, Eckington
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 14 April 09 16:08 UTC (UK) »

Marriage on freebmd

June 1864   Sheffield 9c 421  to Hannah Elizabeth Hulley

but ......this is a bit late for Jarvis  (not unkown to happen though)

The 1864 has George Brunt or John Brunt as grooms, and as Spendlove says there is a bride missing.  Spendlove also points out the birth of Jervis Brunt Haddock 1862, which sounds likely.

Earlier marriage (if it is the same person).

Sept 1855, Sheffield 8c 455
Hannah Elizabeth Haddock  to John Hulley or John Wiley

But this seems a bit early for the Hannah Elizabeth Haddock b 1841. 
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