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James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« on: Thursday 02 April 09 09:43 UTC (UK) »

Hi
I am looking for information regarding James Fanning of Tipperary Town in Co Tipperary. I believe he was born about 1850 from his age on his marriage registration. His father was also James Fanning. They were both bakers. I wonder if he had his own bakers shop?

James married Eliza Lynch on 16 July 1869 in Tipperary Town. Eliza was born about 1851. Eliza's father was John Lynch and maybe Margaret Wade (I got this information second hand but I have no proof)

I have 6 children listed for James and Eliza but I believe there could be more. I believe i will only find out for sure with a search of the parish registers in the Tipperary Catholic Church. Can anyone do this?

Children -
- Robert Fanning b Sep 1870 Spittal Tipperary died Apr 1872
- Mary Fanning b Nov 1872 Spittal Tipperary
- Catherine Fanning b 1878 died 1951 ( I have some information about Catherine - I can not find a birth registration and wonder if she was baptised)
- Eliza Fanning b Nov 1882 Henry Street, Tipperary died 1954. Eliza is my great grandmother and I have some information about her.
- Mary Anne Fanning b  Jul 1887 Bankplace, Tipperary  I have some information about Mary Anne such as marriage and children so far
- Frances Fanning b  Aug 1891 Union Workhouse Tipperary

There is a 6 year gap between Mary and Catherine and a 5 year gap between Eliza and Mary Anne where I believe there could be other children born. Catherine, Eliza and Mary anne all ended up in London after 1901.

Any help with this family would be greatly appreciated. I would be very interested in birth information and death information regarding the parents James and Eliza.
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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 02 April 09 13:42 UTC (UK) »

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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 02 April 09 17:41 UTC (UK) »

FANNING, ANTHONY. Rank: Corporal. Regiment or Service: Worcestershire Regiment. Unit; 1st Bn. Age at Death: 32. Date of Death: 13-03-1915. Service No: 4799. Born in Workington in Cumberland and enlisted in Carlisle while living in Workington. Killed in Action. Supplementary information; Husband of Bridget Fanning, of 2, Brodeen Cottages, Carhir Rd, Tipperary. Grave or Memorial Reference: Has no known grave but is commemorated on Panel 17 and 18. Memorial: Le Touret Memorial in France.
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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 02 April 09 23:57 UTC (UK) »

Hi
Thank you for the information regarding Anthony Fanning I shall go and look for a birth registration. I had already found a Bridget Fanning living in Tipperary census in 1901 and 1911 quoted in a book called County Tipperary by Noel Farrrell. I will need to get hold of the originals census documents. Anthony was missing in both but the Tipperary Barracks is very close by and he was most likely there in both census.

I have the same with Catherine Fanning she is in the town while her husband Joseph Leahy is at the barracks. in the 1901 census.

thanks again
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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #4 on: Friday 03 April 09 00:27 UTC (UK) »

Hi
I just found a marriage for Anthony Fanning and Bridget Obrien in Oct 1902. This Anthony's father was a John Fanning a tailor not James Fanning a baker. So Anthony is not a long lost brother after all.

This still also means that the Bridget fanning I found in the 1901 census is still unaccounted for. A Bridget is mentioned as the witness on Catherines marriage in 1896 so she is either a sister, a sister in law, an aunt or a cousin. But still no leads.

thanks
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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 April 09 16:00 UTC (UK) »

(by kind permission of Noel Farell)
Tipperary Town Roots 1901;

Church st; (24)
Fanning Bridget , Matt

Dillon st; (22)
Fanning May; (living with Leahy family)

Lacken;
Fanning John & Julia; John, Julia, Andrew, William, Peter
(a Tipperary business directory has a John Fanning as a farmer.)
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Nenagh; 1901
Nenagh has a Bank Place, but no Fanning there in 1901.

Brewery lane; (5)
Fanning John & Bridget; Joseph, Mary, Martin.
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Fanning Family History Research has a  BLOG about Fanning's who went to Australia from Thurles, that contains lots of information. Smiley

Electors list 1940/41 Tipperary Town;

Bank place;
Fanning Patrick, Margaret.
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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 April 09 16:23 UTC (UK) »

(by kind permission of Noel Farrel)

Carrick-n-Suir 1911;
Fanning James & Annie; Annie (blacksmith)
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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #7 on: Friday 03 April 09 23:31 UTC (UK) »

thank you Seanmac

I have that book by Noel Farrell. I think my next step is to acquire the real census information. That way i can get ages to try and match to birth registration years.

I do know 100% that the Leahy family on Dillon St in the 1901 census is actually Catherine Leahy nee Fanning and her two children. The May Fanning is most likely her younger sister Mary Anne Fanning. Her husband was with the army in Africa on duty with the Boer War.

I also believe that the bridget Fanning on Church Street may prove to be the witness on Catherines marriage registration. When i get hold of her age I will be hopefully able to identify a relationship... maybe an aunt.

thank you

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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #8 on: Monday 13 April 09 07:36 UTC (UK) »

It may be worth your while looking at dna.There is a Fanning DNA Project

I know nothing about their DNA project, but I have been in touch with a number of the Fannings as I have close matches to them in dna.

My family was from Tipperary. The Fannings seem to have originated around Sligo centuries ago.
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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #9 on: Monday 13 April 09 07:47 UTC (UK) »

And to get Birth Cert

1. You can look up the Ireland government index at this LDS site . It gives you the reference you need for the application form below. But as long as it is after 1864, you can get away with not having the reference if you have the date and place

2. You can order the certs by downloading a form and posting to the government dept (The General Registrar Office   - they are in Roscommon)

Its easy to do, you do not have to pay a researcher, but it takes a few weeks for the cert to arrive.
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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #10 on: Monday 13 April 09 11:58 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Corisande

I had a look at some of those projects and sites you mentioned. I will most likely order a few certificates.
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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #11 on: Friday 06 November 09 03:23 UTC (UK) »

I've just discovered an Ellen Fanning in my family tree, married to John Browne.
We've now found at least eight children born to the couple between 1867 and 1886, all  in the Caher/Cashel/Clonmel area.
So I guess Ellen Fanning was born c1836-1852
Just possibly a sibling/cousin of James?
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P.S. I assume you're aware of the Thurles Fannings? http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=382672
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Browne: Mallow, Co. Cork (1895-1935) + Cahir, Co. Tipperary (1860-1895)    Purtell: Cahir (1860-1895)    Fanning: Cashel (to1886)
Corbett: Mitchelstown, Co. Cork (1860-1935)     Sweeney: Mitchelstown  (1860-1935)
Griffiths: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire (1837-1934)     Reynolds: Llanelly (1837-1901)
Williams: Llanelly (1837-1934)     Lewis: Ton Pentre, Glamorganshire (1837-1901)
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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #12 on: Friday 06 November 09 07:50 UTC (UK) »

Have any of the Fannings here had a y-DNA test done.

I am curious about the Fannings as my y-DNA (Grant from Co Tipp) is an extremely close match to Fannings in Fanning DNA Priject
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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 07 November 09 00:08 UTC (UK) »

No I haven't had my DNA done. I thought it had to be a male relative that did DNA. My family is 5 girls. I would have to contact a cousin in England to get it done on my behalf.

Do you know if it is male or female DNA for the test.

regards
Jackie
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Re: James Fanning of Tipperary, Co Tipperary
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 07 November 09 07:04 UTC (UK) »

For the "Fanning" name you need a male with the name "Fanning" - in other words the y-dna only passes from father to son.

Have a look at the Fanning DNA project , and look at the various tabs along the top like "Patriarchs" Contact the organiser to discuss it, I am sure she would be please to help. They have research on Fannings (but most of them are Americans who have no idea where they came from except "Ireland")

From memory there was some debate as to whether they always were in Sligo or came from Limerick - my own view was Limerick, but that was not based on extensive research!

DNA is a complex subject, and there is a lot of misunderstanding/misinformation/prejudice about results and how they should be interpreted, so take care. Having said that it can be a great help in establishing where your family came from. If your DNA matches theirs, then you have made a big step forward.

I had advised them last year to try to find people in Ireland to do the test, so they should be very pleased to see you are interested
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