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pablo1
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Shane,
Many thanks. I will check out the info you sent. Another researcher who used to live in Dublin said that Air Hill did not ring a bell, either. It may very well be that the info I obtained from the Coleraine Chronicle had a typo. I will go back and see. Again, thanks for your assistance...Paul
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ambyrne1
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I have checked the Dublin Voting registers 1837 and there are a couple of John Martin. Here goes
John Martin, 17 Great Britian street, Shop and Premises.
John Martin, Provision dealer, 24 south Great Georges Street
John Martin, Skinner, 10 Wesling street (a little hard to see this one)
John Martin, Vinter, 119 North Kings street
John Martin, esq, North Wall
John Martin, Cornfactor, 12 New Church St
John Martin, Merchant, Blackbush, Co.Dublin, had premises at 29 college Green
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Wilson: Kirkoswald, Scotland and Dublin
Moore: Kildare and Dublin
lyons: Dublin
Donnelly: Dublin
Byrne: Dublin
Mills: Dublin/?
Higgins: Dublin
Gray: Aryshire, Scotland
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shanew147
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Vintner is technically a winemaker or merchant. - but usually another name for a publican
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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shanew147
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it may be a little bit of step-down from being a vintner but I suppose he would have had the right sort of experience to work as a waiter in a pub or hotel.
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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ambyrne1
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Ingrid,
There are five Peter Martins, see below,
Patrick Martin, 16 Abbey Street, Shoemaker (1835)
Patrick Martin, 124 Mecklinburgh Street (1832) either a barber or bester.. very hard to read this one.
Patrick Martin, 64 Mary's Lane, Broker (1935)
Patrick Martin, 64 Mary's Lane, Broker (1932)
Patrick Martin, 16 Abbey Street, Shoemaker (1832)
There is a Peter Martin
At 22 Great Britain Street, Saddler (1932) and there was a John at 17 Gt Britain Street
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Wilson: Kirkoswald, Scotland and Dublin
Moore: Kildare and Dublin
lyons: Dublin
Donnelly: Dublin
Byrne: Dublin
Mills: Dublin/?
Higgins: Dublin
Gray: Aryshire, Scotland
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Ronald Tucker
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Martin family of Dublin has been difficult to research. Related or not?
Alexander Macaulay (1819-1849) of Cushendall, Co. Antrim m. 1848 at Rathfarnham Church, Dublin to Maria Martin, dau of John Martin of Air Hill, Rathgar.
They had one son, also an Alexander. Their son m. Emily Rotherham, dau of George A. Rotherham, High Sheriff of Co. Meath.
I cant see any sign of an 'Air Hill' in Rathgar around the 1850s - but in later years (1870/80) there is an Airfield Terrace and cottages in Rathgar.. I found an Airhill, and Airhill terrace in Kingstown (Dún Laoghaire) and an Airhill (house) in Loughlinstown - near to Shankill. Of the listing I saw the closest to Rathgar would be Mrs. Delaney Air Park, Scholarstown, Rathfarnham (src:Thom's 1850) I also found a possible Rotherham connection in Slaters-1846 In the nobility, gentry, clergy section for Castle-pollard, Co. Westmeath Geo. Rotherhams, Esq. Sally Mount link to the directory : http://www.failteromhat.com/slater.htmCastlepollard page : http://www.failteromhat.com/slater/0363.pdfShane
Hi.
I noted that you mentioned having found an Air Hill in Loughlinstown near to Shankill. I have been looking for an Air Hill House in Loughlinstown for some time. I wonder can you provide me with a source please?
Kind regards
Ronnie Tucker
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shanew147
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I cant see any sign of an 'Air Hill' in Rathgar around the 1850s - but in later years (1870/80) there is an Airfield Terrace and cottages in Rathgar.. I found an Airhill, and Airhill terrace in Kingstown (Dún Laoghaire) and an Airhill (house) in Loughlinstown - near to Shankill. Of the listing I saw the closest to Rathgar would be Mrs. Delaney Air Park, Scholarstown, Rathfarnham (src:Thom's 1850) I also found a possible Rotherham connection in Slaters-1846 In the nobility, gentry, clergy section for Castle-pollard, Co. Westmeath Geo. Rotherhams, Esq. Sally Mount link to the directory : http://www.failteromhat.com/slater.htmCastlepollard page : http://www.failteromhat.com/slater/0363.pdfShane Hi. I noted that you mentioned having found an Air Hill in Loughlinstown near to Shankill. I have been looking for an Air Hill House in Loughlinstown for some time. I wonder can you provide me with a source please? Kind regards Ronnie Tucker
I believe that it was mentioned in a Thom's directory of Dublin, either 1850 or 1863. I'll check and get back to you..
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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Ronald Tucker
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Dear Shane
I appreciate that, thanks.
Kind regards
Ronnie Tucker
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shanew147
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found Air Hill listed in several editions of Thom's, see below for the occupants :
Loughlinstown (Cabinteely)
1848/50/52 Mr. Edward Kennedy, Air Hill,
Shanganagh (Loughlinstown)
1863 - Thomas Smith esq, Air Hill,
1877/80 - Captain Sullivan R.N., Airhill
1884 - Airhill - vacant
not found in later editions (1894/1914)
I located the house on an old OS map, it's located about 400m south east of the Rathdown workhouse/St. Columcille's Hospital.
see general location on this google map : http://www.rootschat.com/links/07bm/ Air Hill - would have been about 200m due west of the marker
The house is also marked on Griffiths maps :
townland : Shanganagh
Civil Parish : Rathmichael
Air Hill is located in site number 16 and is listed to a Francis Carter Esq, leasing land 14 acres from Miss Martha Roberts.
see: http://www.rootschat.com/links/07bq/
(first entry on the page)
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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Ronald Tucker
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Dear Shane
Thanks a lot for the thorough research and details.
My ggg aunt Miss Henrietta Ann TUCKER stayed at Air Hill in December 1879, eight months after the death of her brother, my gg grandfather Lt. Edward J H Tucker RN who had been the officer in charge of the coastguard station at Bray Head from 1861. I wondered what she was doing in Ireland at the time and why Air Hill.
I now believe that she was paying a visit to settle the affairs of his estate and that unsurprisingly she stayed with Capt. Sullivan RN at Air Hill, probably a naval colleague / friend of her late brother's. Once I saw Capt. Sullivan RN in your message, things clicked into place.
Your contribution is much appreciated.
Kind regards
Ronnie Tucker
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shanew147
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my ggg-grandfather Samuel Hodges was a coastguard and he signed on at Bray station in 1831 and retired to a cottage near the sea front there in the 1860s.. he might have known Edward!
I had a quick look at ADM records to see if they may have served together and see the details of Edward arriving in Bray as Master in 1861 but no earlier details for him.
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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Ronald Tucker
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Dear Shane
Quite a coincidence!
My gg grandfather was appointed to the job on July 29, 1861, so he must have reported for duty in Bray soon thereafter. I have his original letter of appointment from the British Admiralty.
If your ggg grandfather retired to a cottage near the seafront there in the 1860's and had been in the coastguard for such a long time, it is hard to believe that they would not have met. After about 30 years service, I would imagine your ggg grandfather would have dropped in on his old colleagues occasionally for a chat.
I live in Delgany and my sister lives on the seafront in Bray, as does my mother. She is in a nursing home 50 paces from the Esplanade Hotel which is the site where the old coastguard station / cottages stood up in the early 1860's. Do you live in Ireland yourself?
If you ever find out more details of the Bray coastguard or have any photos from the 19th century, I would appreciate hearing from you. I will do the same.
Kind regards
Ronnie
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