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AMBLY
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Hi Andrew
Juliana in the Census 1841 to 1881 - all in Chesire - is consistent with being born about 1797 in Ripley, Derbyshire. All children stated born in Derbyshire.
The birth certificate of the youngest child, Mary Ann abt 1839, or Thomas if he was registered from the Sep Qtr 1837 onwards, should provide Juliana's maiden name.....
However, there is a tree on A****ces**ry with this family in it. It gives Juliana's maiden names as CARWITHEN, and her parents as: John CARWITHEN(b 1762) and Sarah GETLIFFE (b1764 - died 1838), with siblings named Martha b 1788 and John b 1794.
The tree doesn't include a son of Thomas & Juliana named Richard (who also doesn't appear in the census) with them either, but perhaps he was either older and moved on by 1841, or died young?
Edwin WAKEFIELD b abt 1823 Derby
Richard WAKEFIELD
John WAKEFIELD b abt 1826 Derbyshire
Juliana WAKEFIELD b abt 1831 Derby,
Thomas WAKEFIELD b 1837 Derby
Mary Ann WAKEFIELD b abt 1839 Derby
http://www.pentrich.org.uk/html/surnames.a-z.html
Pentrich Historical Society (Ripley is in the Parish of Pentrich)
A researcher is listed as connected,inquiring abt John CARWITHEN b 1794 - who, from the above references, may be Juliana's brother.
Cheers
AMBLY
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AMBLY
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If you search the IGI for CARWITHEN, all, in Derbyshire - there is:\ among them:
CHRISTENING: Juliana CARWITHEN chr 14 Aug 1796, Pentrich, father : John CARWITHEN
And :
MARRIAGE: Juliana CARWITHIN and Thomas WAKEFIELD, 15 Aug 1822, Saint Werburgh, Derby
Both are extracted records.
This is probably her brother in 1841:
HO107 / Piece 199 / Book: 3 / Folio: 14 / Pg 23
1841: Orchard St No. 2, Parish of St Alkmund, Derbyshire
John CARWITHIN 45, Tailor
Ann CARWITHIN 35
George CARWITHIN 15
Appolinah CARWITHIN (female), 15, Silk Winder
Juliana CARWITHIN 13, F.S.
Ann CARWITHIN 6,
Mary DAWSON 60
ALL born Derbyshire
Cheers
AMBLY
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karen higgins
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hello,
julianna carwithin and thomas wakefield were my 5th great grandparents
they had a son called john who married mary cheers and they had alfred wakefield my3rd great grandfather and his brother charles cheers wakefield
who when he died in 1941 was known as viscount wakefield of hythe he also owned castrol oil and was lord mayor of london, sir humprey i have not come across yet
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karen higgins
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i have had a look at sir humprey wakefield and his tree and i think granny may be right i believe that my 9th greatparents are the same as his
just need help proving two branch's have being tracing back since i read that edward jerringham wakefield was viscount charles cheers wakefields
second cousin.
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karen higgins
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hello,
that would be great if you would not mind .
so how is granny related to thomas was he her great,great grandfather?
and was thomas born 1837 a minister ?
many thanks
karen
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karen higgins
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hi andrew
does granny know if esther sussanah sommers married dec 1881 barton regis to thomas wakefield born 1836 derby was his second wife? married before i believe to a rebbeca and has she heard of him ever going to africa?
your wakefield relation
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karen higgins
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hello, andrew thanks for the information you have given me.
i found out yesterday that he was married too rebecca brewin i thought i was on the right track for a couple of weeks now but needed to confirm this which i have now done . his first wife went with him to ribe (near mombasa)
were she had a daughter called rebbeca nellie wakefield and then they had another child who died so did his wife but i think it was from some sort of fever can let you know for definatley later, so his daughter was sent back to england and he followed much later thats when he met esther sussanah sommers and married and she went with him too ribe for 5 years. this is all mentioned in a book that i found on line called the memoirs of rebbeca wakefield written by her brother. there is also a biography of thomas wakefield and the author is e.s wakefield at the latter day saints on micro fiche but i do not live near a latter day saints so may never know what is said about him, he was a remarkable man i feel he served for 27 years in kenya and was known as bwana wakfili .
there is lots of information about him too much for me too write i could send you the links i have found so you can have a look if you like?
can i just confirm
leonard john wakefield was the son of esther sommers and thomas wakefield?
hope to hear from you soon
karen
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karen higgins
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hello, andrew no rebbeca nellie lived and came back to england thats all i know about her at the min.
i had a look for leonard john wakefied and could only find 1 birth in leeds 1890
and 1 marriage to a elanor yeadon in derby 1915 but can't find any children for them but this might be right as i think what you are saying is that leonard and julia didn't marry?which i find strange ? and had look for florence bayliss and only found 1florence m bayliss born 1912 westham parent bayliss do you know if she was born there?
speak to you soon
and will post the links later
karen
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