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fred2derf
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Hello,
If the Barony, Lanark in the census is correct then Robert's parents are not Alexander & Janet anything.
I wonder if either of these is brother John born 1808 Barony:
1841
Civil Parish: Glasgow Chalmers
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Gallougate St
MCLUCKIE John head c1811 age 30 (Umbrella J) Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE Jane wife c1816 age 25 Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE John son c1839 age 2 Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE David son c1836 age 5 Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE Elizabeth daur c1830 age 11 Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE Mary daur c1840 age 1 Lanarkshire, Scotland
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1841
Civil Parish: Old Monkland
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Merryston Squire
MCLUCKIE John head c1811 age 30 (Collminer) Scotland
MCLUCKIE Ann wife c1811 age 30 Scotland
MCLUCKIE Nanrey daur c1837 age 4 Scotland
MCLUCKIE Jean daur c1839 age 2 Scotland
MCLUCKIE Helen daur c1840 7 mo Lanarkshire, Scotland
Fred
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Fred
Have you looked at the 1894 death cert for a Robert McL?
Don't discard Alexander and Janet! They are still showing in 1851 at the same address as they did in 1841, and where Robert and wife Jane Bell were also in 1841 and 1851:
Alexander McLuckie 75, coal miner, b. Larbert, Stirling
Janet McLuckie 76, b. Larbert, Stirling
Peter Fraser 25, lodger, b. Errol, Perth
Michael Baird 10, lodger, b. Kilmarnock, Ayr
Address: Fireworks Carter Row, Fireworks, Govan
Can't see Alexander Snr in 1861 but I wonder if this is wife Janet in 1861:
Margaret Armstrong (McLuckie) 58, General Milliner, b. Shotts
Janet McLuckie 88, mother b. Larbert Stirlingshire
Hellen Armstrong 19 daughter b. Cathead, Renfrewshire
Janet McLuckie 18, niece, b. Govan
Christina McLuckie 16, niece, b. Govan
Address: Grahams Tow Fireworks, Govan
The Margaret in the entry above looks very much like the Margaret you have as born in 1803 perhaps?
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Fred
I think there is some light at the end of this tunnel...until you hit the next brick wall at least 
Karen, you were spot on with that death entry for a Janet Allan McLuckie, her age shows unrecorded on the index but it is her, widow of Alexander. She died at the address that we have her on now for 1861, son John with an address in Bridgeton, Glasgow reported her death at the grand age of 95! Her parents John Allan and Margaret Simpson.
Janet Allan was the mother of your Robert. Jane Bell pre-deceased him when he died in 1894
The marriage in 1812 of an Alexander McLuckie and Janet Livingston is a bit of a red herring given the names and the location.
So, we have Alexander and Janet (Allan) born in Larbert Stirlingshire in the 1770s. We now have Janet's parents and this looks like her christening on 08 NOV 1778 in Larbert. Fred, if you do a parent search with these names there is a large number of submitted and actual extract entries for siblings.
For Alexander, you can for the time being only make best guesses at this stage. From the names we have and the children that you showed:
c. 22 May 1803 Margaret - Janet's mother
c. 14 Jul 1805 John - Janet's father
born c. 1812 Robert
One more christening shows for them:
HELEN MCLUCKIE Christening: 24 SEP 1809 Barony, Lanark, Scotland
I can't see a marriage for Alexander and Janet Allan, but given their approx. birth years, and the earliest birth you have, would look to have been c. 1800ish. You also have the first couple of children above with Janet's parents names, so there abouts I would say.
Most of the IGI entries for births of Alexander McLuckie in the 1770s are in Larbert which won't help....
Monica
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fred2derf
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Hello Monica,
Thank you very much for all of that. I started by saying I thought Robert's parents were an Alexander and a Janet.
I'll put all this into my database and get back to you later today.
Regards,
Fred
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fred2derf
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Hello Monica,
It looks like:
Margaret 1803 Shotts
John 1805 Shotts
Helen 1809 Barony
Robert 1812 Barony
Walter 1814 Barony
I'm wondering if John is the first son ?? And if Helen is the second daughter ??
Margaret marries George ARMSTRONG 18 Jul 1823 Gorbals
John (maybe his second marriage) to Ann WATSON in 1841 Gorbals
Not sure if I'm missing any children but at the moment I have the first four as:
Alexander b. 13 Aug 1841
Janet b. 3 Sep 1842
Christina b. 4 Dec 1844
Walter b. 1 Feb 1847
1861
Address: Grahams Tow Fireworks, Govan
Margaret Armstrong (McLuckie) 58, General Milliner, b. Shotts
Janet McLuckie 88, mother b. Larbert Stirlingshire
Hellen Armstrong 19 daughter b. Cathead, Renfrewshire ?? Cathcart, Lanark ?
Janet McLuckie 18, niece, b. Govan
Christina McLuckie 16, niece, b. Govan
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Possible marriage (one of three) for Walter:
Spouse: Jane LIVINGSTONE
Marriage: 1 Mar 1835 Shotts, Lanark, Scotland
I can't explain Janet aged 11 in the 1841 census with Walter.
Regards,
Fred
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MonicaLesl
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I think a confusing piece of the puzzle is that the son John b. 1805 looks to have died and a second son named John was born c. 1819. I believe it is this John who reported his mother's death in 1865, he was then living in Bridgeton, Glasgow (and shows there in 1861).
I have found a tree on Ancestry from someone who is descended from this John so his line is relatively well recorded. The only two other children showing on this tree is your Robert and Walter. There is no additional information of value on either parents or Robert and Walter, except for Robert's death date in Rutherglen which matches what we now have. I think this is there only because brother John also died in Rutherglen around the same time.
John looks to have married twice. The first to Ann Watson, and the daughters Janet and Christina living with aunt Margaret in 1861 are very likely his daughters (IGI entries for them). And the second wife....I need to go back and find the details again as it was late when I was looking at this last night! Give me a moment and I'll go and pull it together.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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This looks to be John (b.1819) details:
First wife: Ann Watson 1819 1860
Janet McLuckie 1842
Christina McLuckie 1844
Walter McLuckie 1847
John McLuckie 1849
Robert McLuckie 1851
Margaret McLuckie 1853
Second wife: Mary Veitch 1830 1903
David McLuckie 1860
John McLuckie 1862
Mary McLuckie 1864
Jessie McLuckie 1866
Robert McLuckie 1868 1944 This is the line being followed. Married Margaret Summers and emigrated to Auckland, New Zealand post 1901
Christina McLuckie 1870
Annie McLuckie 1875
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Some census entries for John and family:
1851:
John McLuckie 30, coal miner, b. Govan
Ann McLuckie 32, b. Govan
Janet McLuckie 8, b. Govan
Christina McLuckie 6, b. Govan
Walter McLuckie 4, b. Govan
Mary Veitch 20, Steam Loom Weaver, b. Govan (future wife perhaps 
Address: Fireworks Garden Sq, Fireworks, Govan
1861:
John McLuckie 42, Skinner, b. Glasgow
Mary McLuckie 31, b. Edinbrugh
Netter male Walter?) McLuckie 14, skinner, b. Glasgow
Margaret McLuckie 9, b. Glasgow
David McLuckie 4 Months, b. Glasgow
David Watson 18, lodger, slater, b. Edinburgh
Address: 206 No 2 House, Bridgeton, Glasgow (Calton)
1871:
John McLuckie 51, coal miner, b. Glasgow
Mary McLuckie 40, b Edinburgh
David McLuckie 10, b. Glasgow
John McLuckie 8, b. Glasgow
Mary McLuckie 7, b. Glasgow
Robert McLuckie 2, b. Glasgow
Christina McLuckie 8 Months, b. Glasgow
John Bennet 17, lodger, coal miner, b. Collace Ayr
Robert Bennet 22, lodger, coal miner, b. Collace Ayr
Address: Mcfarlanes Land, Bothwell, Lanarkshire
Fred, hopefully you have enough here on John to be able to verify his details. A check on his death (1895-05-09 Rutherglen) or his marriage entry to Mary Veitch would let you confirm personally his parents.
Monica
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fred2derf
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Hello Monica,
Thank you very much for the additional info. I was wondering about John's marriage to Ann because it seemed a bit late in life but explained as his first not second because of the birth date, 1819.
Re John & Ann's first child I have this one:
Alexander b. 13 Aug 1841 c. 3 Oct 1841 Gorbals - an extracted entry
Re Janet aged 11 in the 1841 census with Walter I looked and only found this one:
Janet c. 26 Aug 1832 Old Monkland - Alexander & Elizabeth SNADDON.
Did I mention my connection? Robert born c1812 Barony is my GGGG grandfather. Son Alexander married an Ann MALCOLM born Largs, Ayr, and one of their daughters married a William HAMILTON born in Clonmel, Ireland.
Regards,
Fred
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kiwisouth
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Hi folks
My GGP's were Margaret Summers and Robert McLuckie. They came out to NZ about 1927 with most of their grown up children, one of whom, David Watson McLuckie was my grandfather. My Grand mother, Lilias Neil Moyies came out in 1932 after her mum died. Didn't want to leave her but followed grandad out afterwards and got married in Huntly. Margaret and Robert had many offspring as was usual in those times. I can come back to you with names another time. I don't have much info on my great uncles and aunts but I have some photos which I need to scan
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McLuckie, Summers, McGregor, Veitch, Murray, Morton, Borland, Neil, Moyies, Bruce, Morton, Boisen, Walter,Watkins, Pohlen, Partridge, Watson. Hunter, Russell, More to follow when I get my folder out
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Helen_Moulden
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Hello,
It may be my Ancestry tree that you have found.
I have John Mcluckie born 1819c.
John died in 1895. Info as follows.
John Mcluckie coal miner
Married first to Ann Watson 2nd Mary Veitch
1895 May 9th 8.15 am 22 Harriet street, Rutherglen
Age 74
Father - Alexander McLuckie, Coal miner - deceased
Mother - Janet McLuckie M.S. Allan - deseased
Informant - Robert McLuckie - son
also-
Married Ann Watson 28 February 1841, Gorbals, Lanarkshire
also
Married Mary Veitch
John McLuckie coal miner age 40
Father - Alexander McLuckie coal miner dec.
Mother - Janet McLuckie M.S. Allan dec.
Mary Veitch spinster age 30
Father - Robert Veitch
Mother - Christian/Christina Buchanan
Witness - Walter McLuckie
Ann McLuckie
Died 16 May 1860
Age - 42
Father - David Watson
Mother - Christina Watson M.S. Buchanan
Mary McLuckie died 19 December 1903 widow of John
Mary Veitch was living with John and Ann during the 1851 census.
Going by the date of the first born of John and Mary she was pregnant at the time of the death of Ann and her marriage to John in 1860.
I am still trying to find out if Mary and Ann were related as their mothers had the same maiden name or perhaps they were 1/2 sisters.
Helen
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Helen_Moulden
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Hello again,
Forgot to say that the 1841 census has John McLuckie living in Strathbungo Village, Govan, Lanarkshire with his wife listed as Agnes McLuckie.
Helen
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fred2derf
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Hello kiwisouth,
Robert was one of John & Mary's children:
David McLuckie 1860
John McLuckie 1862
Mary McLuckie 1864
Jessie McLuckie 1866
Robert McLuckie 1868 1944 ***
Christina McLuckie 1870
Annie McLuckie 1875
Regards,
Fred
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fred2derf
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Hello Helen,
Thank you very much for that info. Yes, I did eventually find John in 1841 once I knew I was not looking for one born about 1805 but one born about 1819.
Very interesting the BUCHANAN connection. I'm betting they are half-sisters so now to prove it.
Regards,
Fred
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