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Topic: ggd of Mary Ann Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In. (Read 2082 times)
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Tephra
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Duc, sequi, aut fuge!
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Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt which promises to be an interesting one with UK, NZ and Australia involved.
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
Barbara
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John and Mary SMITH were my late father’s maternal grandparents and are my brickwall. They had ten children, two died in infancy, the others all grew up and married. There are 4 living grandchildren, all over 80 years old. There is no record of the marriage of John to Mary, and it is likely that they fibbed about it, as Mary had previously married. Both died in Sydney NSW Australia, but they were both born in England, and had both lived in New Zealand.
My main interest is in trying to figure out when/where either of them were born, and where they grew up. Various cousins and I have downloaded many census records, and obtained many GRO certificates. But we have basically NOT advanced the plot that our parents knew from their own childhoods spent in the company of John and Mary. Rather we have just accumulated lots of supporting information about their NSW lives. In the case of John Smith, we are missing his first 40 years, while in Mary’s case we are missing her first 20 years.
From various NSW BDM certificates we know:
John Smith was born in Ely, Cambridgeshire England. In November 1883 he was aged 41. In September 1891 he was aged 51. In May 1897 he was aged 58. In July 1928 he was aged 86. On all those documents his occupation is noted as “labourer”.
Mary Smith was born Mary Ann HUNT in Manchester, Lancashire England. In November 1883 she was aged 30. In September 1891 she was aged 38. In May 1897 she was aged 44. In July 1930 she was aged 77.
John Smith’s death registration (July 1928) gives his parents as John Smith, a farmer and Ann Ellington. On the birth certificates of the youngest seven children (1886, 1888, 1890, 1891, 1892, 1895, 1897), John Smith’s name is noted as John Ellington Smith.
Mary Smith’s death registration (July 1930) gives her parents as Hartley Hunt, a farmer and Mary Dickens. On all the NSW birth certificates for her children her full name, Mary Ann Hunt is recorded.
If there is a "naming" pattern to their children, then the following may help: Laura b 1883, Nellie b 1885, Thomas Hartley b 1886, Mary Jane b 1888, Reuben b 1890, Rebecca b 1891, Annie b 1895 and Rachel b 1897. There was an un-named daughter born and died before Laura, and an un-named son born and died November 1892.
I have lots of other bits and pieces of information, including the following:
Mary Ann Hunt emigrated from England to Wellington NZ on The Douglas, arriving Sept 1873. She was single, aged 20 and from Lancashire. Among the passengers were Mr and Mrs Thomas Brazier Brattle. In Feb 1877, at the Buckley St Wellington home of Thomas Brazier Brattle, there was a Methodist marriage service, and the bride was Mary Ann HUNT. The groom was Christopher Taylor. This matches up with oral history that comes from my late father, and is confirmed by several of those 4 living grandchildren.
Despite many years (decades) of searching by several generations, none of us have ever found any information about their lives in England, nor how they got to Australia. We do know from John Smith’s death registration that he had lived in NSW for 46 years. July 1928 minus 46 years suggests he arrived about 1880. We do know from Mary Smith’s death registration that she had lived in NSW for 53 years. July 1930 minus 53 years suggests she arrived about 1877.
We also know that both John and Mary Smith's accents were difficult to understand by their grand-children.
The NSW Archives have many passenger records, but despite much searching, we have not found the arrival (either as a couple, or as individuals travelling at different times) of either of them in NSW. Nor have we found the arrival of John Smith into NZ.
The couple were both interred in the Rookwood Cemetery, C of E, and despite “knowing” there was never any headstone, we have searched for one – there is none.
Any clues will be much appreciated, but please don’t waste your energies for it is fast approaching Easter, and your own families deserve your company.
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Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.
Abbott In Islington
Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden
Lamb In Bolton and Ireland
Grundy In Bolton
Blackledge In Bolton
Osbaldeston ?? ??
Barnett in Islington
Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton
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Just Moi
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Hi and Thanks to Rootschat for this opportunity. I am in NSW Australia, but my OH has organised things so I can be online into the wee hours of each morning (its 8:33 pm Tuesday here). Thanks again, and I will try to add comments as we progress through this John and Mary Smith brickall.
Cheers MA
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kiwihalfpint
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Women and cats will do as they please
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Hi Ma,
Just a wee note to wish you luck in your search. Been following your threads on the NZ Boards.
KHP 
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kanskar
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Robert Kirk c1890
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Don't know if it is worth following up this chap:
Birth Dec 1848 Qtr (yes I know it's five years younger than John Smith seems to be)
John Ellington Tharby - ELY 14 - 75
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Census info-Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRodway London 19-20c Kirk London/Brum/Coventry/London 19c Blower Warwicks 19c Syrett/Brewer/Cranwell London 19c Punter Herts/London 19c Whitrow/Hutchings/Leeworthy/Goldsworthy/May - Devon 19-20c Stoodley Dorset/Hants/Wilts 18-20c Cooper/Clark Broughton, Hants 18c Moody - East Dean/Sherfield English Hants 18/19c White Aspull/Wigan, Lancs 19-20c West/Angel/Johnson/Clark S. Wilts 19-20c Edwards Wardour/Ansty, Wilts 19c |
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toni*
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this looks likely to be him
1851
HO107; 1764; 359; : 28
following up
1851
Black Lane Ely
Abraham Smith 39 head ... man b. cambs (originally though occ. was salesman but not so sure)
Amelia 37 wife b. Sutton Cambs
children all b. Ely no occs.
Ann 13
John10
Elizabeth 8
Charles 5
Caroline 2
Abraham 1 Mo
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy -SMA is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles. SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 yrs 1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on There is no current treatment http://www.jtsma.org.uk/http://www.petitiontocuresma.com/NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex Punnett-Sussex, Bear- Monkleigh |
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Just Moi
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Hi Toni, sorry but not that family, although I do have email contact with descendants of Abraham's family. But, on other hand, if you spot John and Lucy SMITH and their lot, well I have followed that up as far as 1871, for John and Lucy were at Black Dike and then disappear, but their children are with James Smith (grandfather) at Newton. There are non identical twins to John and Lucy. Cheers, MA
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toni*
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this looks likely to be him
1861
RG9; 1037; 4; 2
John aged 20 b. Ely Apprenctice to Joseph Sharp master boot & shoemaker
also present Josephs wife Pheobe
Ham Street Shelham Cambs
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy -SMA is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles. SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 yrs 1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on There is no current treatment http://www.jtsma.org.uk/http://www.petitiontocuresma.com/NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex Punnett-Sussex, Bear- Monkleigh |
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Spidermonkey
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Just to throw another one into the potential mix, what about this one RG10; Piece: 1604; Folio: 104; Page: 25?
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toni*
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this looks likely to be him
1871
RG10; 1583; 37; 3
just finishing off -
Tunwell Lane
John Smith 30 head mar cordwainer b. Ely
Maryann Smith 25 wife b. M.. Cambs
Arthur Smith 1 son
Whitcehead Smith 3 months son
how do you know hes not the child of Abraham if you do not have anything prior to 1883?
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy -SMA is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles. SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 yrs 1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on There is no current treatment http://www.jtsma.org.uk/http://www.petitiontocuresma.com/NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex Punnett-Sussex, Bear- Monkleigh |
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Just Moi
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HI All,
Ta Kiwihalfpint, for your good wishes.
Ta kansar, that's the closest I have ever got to see his middle name - first time I know he used it was in 1886.
Ta Spidermonkey, could you let me know a bit more of a clue please, I have ancestry but its not throwing that entry up at me
Ta Toni, you know I have 13 pages of one line entries for possible births, and similar list for census possible sightings.
Cheers, all MA
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toni*
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as Mary had previously married.
Mary Smith was born Mary Ann HUNT in Manchester, Lancashire England.
Mary Smith’s death registration (July 1930) gives her parents as Hartley Hunt, a farmer and Mary Dickens. On all the NSW birth certificates for her children her full name, Mary Ann Hunt is recorded.
do you know what Marys first married name was?
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy -SMA is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles. SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 yrs 1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on There is no current treatment http://www.jtsma.org.uk/http://www.petitiontocuresma.com/NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex Punnett-Sussex, Bear- Monkleigh |
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