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seahall
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Thanks David.
Very sweet of you.
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seahall
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Think we possibly have No 8 David.
From the N.M.I.
Stoke Albany
BY BANNS read on Oct 4th,11th,18th 1846
John SMEETON otp to Elizabeth STEVENSON of Brampton Ash
Now knowing David how in-correct censuses can be with P.O.B.
1851 Census Leicester St Margaret's H.O. 107/2088 District 21
Pg 7 Folio 410 Sch 28 No. 21 L Charles St
John Smeeton Head Mar 30 Watch and Clock maker Leicester
Elizabeth W Mar 29 Great Bowden
Samuel Son 7 Scholar Leciester
Ada Daur 5 Leicester
Fanny Daur 2 Leicester
Sarah J Daur 6 mo.
I will see if I can find them on any others.
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seahall
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Well by 1861 Elizabeth seems to have died. 
From freebmd Dec Qtr 1856 John Smeeton married Barbara Forster
1861 Census Leicester St Marys RG9/2293 District 4 Pg 3 Folio 48
Sch 12 No. 12 Welford Road
John Smeeton Head Mar 40 Watch & Clock Maker St Marys
Barbara Brown Wife Mar 31 Watch & Clock Makers Wife Morpeth, Northumberland
Sarah Jane Daur Un 10 Scholar St Margarets
John Forster Son 10m Scholar St Marys
All surname Smeeton.
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seahall
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Possible death reg for Elizabeth from freebmd Dec Qtr 1851.
It might be a idea to ask on the Leicestershire board David
for help with a Baptisms/Marriages/M.I. or Burial information.
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seahall
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On the 1841 Census John Smeeton is in Great Bowden, District 1.
H.O.107/589/6 Pg 3 Folio 4 listed in the household of Elizabeth Bale
and aged 20 a Watchmaker J.
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seahall
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Just to tie up the children of John and Elizabeth Smeeton in later census.
Samuel Streeton 1861 Rg 9/2283 Leciester St Margarets Pg 9 Folio 8.
Fanny is with her grand parents the image is very fragmented.
1861 Rg 9/2293 Leicester St Marys District 8 Pg 22 Folio 112
Sch 118 Blacks Yard
David Smeeton Head Mar 68 Road Labourer Medbourne
Mary Wife Mar 64 Seamstress Medbourne
Fanny Grand 12 daur Seamstress Leicester
It seems Ada also died in the Dec Qtr 1851 from freebmd.
Maybe a newspaper clipping may have more information for you David.
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seahall
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1871 Census
Samuel is married to Mary (Porter) from freebmd Sep Qtr 1869 and living in Huddersfield. Rg10/4370 Pg 6 Folio 6.
Fanny is a servant in Paddington Rg10/25 Pg 28 Folio 38.
On freebmd there is a marriage of Fanny in the Sep Qtr of 1872.
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behindthefrogs
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I've been to the RO lots of times looking in the parish that my ancestor has listed only to find they are not there. Then I have had to look parish by parish working out from the one I started with and low and behold there they were married in a parish 15 miles away. No connection what so ever but they both put down for the banns that they were of this parish. They lied through their teeth in those days as well. You need to think outside the box on these occasions, put your detective hat on and widen your search.
Regards panda
When banns or a marriage certificate state that the couple were "of this parish" it means no more than that they satisfied the residential qualification of having lived there for the required number of weeks prior to the marriage. It says nothing about where they were born, baptised or even where their normal place of work and residence was.
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Vasquez109
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Thank you to everyone. Ive just switched Rootschat on to find all this help!
But first, to clarify. We are talking about Elizabeth (Williams daughter)? The Banns say she was from Northants but the 1851 says Leicestershire. I know the areas are really close, but wouldnt the officials want to get at least the county of birth correct?
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Northamptonshire - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs
Swansea (Morriston) - Thomas, Williams
Derbyshire - Harlow
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London (Bethnal Green/Islington) - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Collecott, Webb, Curgenven, Trevarton, Blamey, Dunn
Gloucestershire - Harper
County Durham - Proud, Duke
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behindthefrogs
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I am confused. I have never seen any banns which specify a place of birth. All they confirm is the place of qualifying residence in the parish where the banns have to be called. They either specify this parish or name the other parish where the person lived.
Yes people did cheat, usually in order to get married in specific church often in London or another large city. In this case they established what was sometimes called a suitcase address. They paid a nominal rent for the three weeks (I think that is the right time, it wasn't much more) of residence which was required. Often this involved no more than leaving a suitcase there for the period, hence the name "suitcase address". This was usually cheaper and sometimes more convenient than obtaining a licence.
The residence address in the banns, marriage certificate or parish register as I said before is no more than the address required for the banns.
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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seahall
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Hi David
The Banns were read at Stoke Albany which is right by the border of Northants/Leics as you rightly say.
As the Stoke Albany Marriages are still at the Church it is request to the Vicar again
or from the General Registrar Office for an original copy.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
It is them marrying under Mkt Harborough Reg District in 1846. 
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Vasquez109
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Once again! Thank you!
One down!
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Northamptonshire - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs
Swansea (Morriston) - Thomas, Williams
Derbyshire - Harlow
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London (Bethnal Green/Islington) - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Collecott, Webb, Curgenven, Trevarton, Blamey, Dunn
Gloucestershire - Harper
County Durham - Proud, Duke
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Vasquez109
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Just one quick update. Familysearch has thrown up an Elizabeth Stevenson, christened on 5th May 1822 Brampton By, Dingley with the parents of William Stevenson and Sarah.
Using the census as well as this, would you be inclined to say it was the Elizabeth in question or maybe another sister? But isnt it tradition for the bride to marry in her own parish, which should have been Brampton Ash not Stoke Albany?
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Northamptonshire - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs
Swansea (Morriston) - Thomas, Williams
Derbyshire - Harlow
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London (Bethnal Green/Islington) - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Collecott, Webb, Curgenven, Trevarton, Blamey, Dunn
Gloucestershire - Harper
County Durham - Proud, Duke
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mgeneas
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They may have married in Brampton Ash.
The Banns had to be called in the parish of the groom which was Stoke Albany and in the parish of the bride which was Brampton Ash.
They could have been married in either parish, but as the marriages registers are still at the churches no one can look it up for you. You will need to order the certifcate.
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seahall
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Hi again All.
David as Northamptonshire Reg District includes parts of Market Harborough either
church could be the place. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/nth.htm
Dingley is a hamlet next to Brampton Ash.
I would think the Baptism is correct for Elizabeth.
Happy Easter.
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