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Topic: Was she really shot in the head? (Read 1622 times)
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Sandy H
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Grandpa Kindred
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Hi Nick,
I just read your post. What a chilling thought!! 
....Must go to bed, its late here.
Enjoy your day! 
Sandy
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Kindred, Lloyd, Suckling, Golding, Ray, Jefferson, Ferguson, Wright, Winter, and Turner.
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suffolkmawther
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 1327
'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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In haste, busy day today 
My husband and I and a few other folk are involved in setting up a Framlingham Photographic Archive which will be on-line later this year.
We are collating all the photographs and many letterheads of Framlingham at the moment. We would like to have something similar to that produced by friends in Sudbury www.sudburysuffolk.co.uk/photoarchive/
Pat ...
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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Sandy H
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Posts: 29
Grandpa Kindred
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Nice website, I'll be looking forward to seeing yours when you get it on-line!
I have a busy day ahead, too, and must peel myself away from Rootschat!!
Have Fun this weekend!
Sandy 
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greensleeves
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Greensleeves
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Hi Sandy H
Regarding Frederick Kindred and Clara Suckling, they might have been drapers assistants at Frederick Corders, a firm of silk mercers and drapers, of Tavern Street, Ipswich. The shop, which at one time was extensive, but which gradually got smaller during the 1970s until it finally closed, was on the corner of Tavern Street and Tower Street.
On another point of interest, there is a Chaucer connection here for (if I remember the story correctly) Chaucer's uncle kept a tavern here on the corner of Tavern Street and Tower Street which was then known as the Hen Market,and it is said that Geoffrey Chaucer spent part of his childhood here.
There was also another fairly large drapery store in Westgate Street, more or less opposite to Corders, and I can't remember the name of it. This is the alternative site for Suffolk House. If this senior moment passes, I'll post again, but perhaps one of the other contributors will know the one I mean!
Greensleeves
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Suffolk: Pearl(e) & variations - Brettenham, Hitcham,Rattlesden; Waddilove - Rattlesden and possibly Norfolk. Garnham - Belstead, Ipswich & area.
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick - West Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Merrington.
Shadforth - Hartlepool/Stockton
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greensleeves
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Posts: 332
Greensleeves
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Right, senior moment has passed, and I now have the definitive answer to the drapers - in 1893, at any rate:
Frederick Fish & Son, Merchant Drapers & House Furnishers, Suffolk House, Tavern Street, Ipswich.
So in effect you can ignore everything I said previously!
Greensleeves
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Suffolk: Pearl(e) & variations - Brettenham, Hitcham,Rattlesden; Waddilove - Rattlesden and possibly Norfolk. Garnham - Belstead, Ipswich & area.
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick - West Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Merrington.
Shadforth - Hartlepool/Stockton
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Sandy H
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Grandpa Kindred
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Hello Greensleeves!
Interesting! I checked the 1881 Census for Ipswich and the address for the draper's school is Suffolk House, Tavern St. The manager is listed as a Charles Moss.
Fred and Clara married in 1882. I thought that they had a draper's store in Ipswich, but I am not positive about that. I do know that they had a Draper's and Grocer's store in Haverhill by 1891.
It sounds like you have the right place, but by 1893 under new owners or managers. Unless there could be more than one Suffolk House in Ipswich, which doesn't seem possible.
It would seem that draper's schools were a regular "cottage industry" in Ipswich and Suffolk. I noticed on the 1891 Census for Haverhill, that Fred had several "draper's assistants" including his younger brother, Arthur. He also had one "grocer's apprentice".
How very interesting! Thank you for your help!!
Sandy
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suffolkmawther
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 1327
'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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Hello Greensleeves,
Corders eh?
Bought our first bed from there and two Parker Knoll arm chairs with money given to us when we married.
That bed went many years ago, but the two chairs are in the conservatory nowadays, and are still very comfortable 
It was one of my late mother in laws favourite shops.
Sandy,
the Suffolk Local History Council office in Ipswich is in a modern two storey building and is really home to Suffolk Acre. They kindly let us rent an office from them. And yes, you will find many 'Suffolk House' buildings throughout the county.
We will be home over the holiday weekend and will send the articles in the next day or so to you home email addie.
Off to bed, night night
Pat ...
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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greensleeves
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Posts: 332
Greensleeves
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Hi Sandy
Yes, I saw Frederick and Clare at Suffolk House in the 1881 census, and at Haverhill in 1891. Isn't it frustrating trying to find our what they were doing in between? There was another thread recently which Suffolkmawther and I were contributing to, which involved a Drapers Assistant at Westgate Street, Ipswich in 1891, which was also fascinating, albeit that her trail ran cold at Newark and so far we haven't established what happened to her.
Your family story sounds so interesting, and full of excitement. My mother's branch of my Suffolk family seemed to lurk around Rattlesden/Brettenham for generations (1540 onwards); for all I know, many of them might still be there!
Don't forget to let us know when you find the answer to the untimely demise of Elizabeth.
Hi Pat
Nice to speak to you again. I remember when I was a child that Corders had a fascinating front window, which allowed you to pass behind it to get into the shop. It always livened up shopping expeditions if we went to Corders because it meant we could play in this glass labyrynth!
Greensleeves
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Suffolk: Pearl(e) & variations - Brettenham, Hitcham,Rattlesden; Waddilove - Rattlesden and possibly Norfolk. Garnham - Belstead, Ipswich & area.
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick - West Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Merrington.
Shadforth - Hartlepool/Stockton
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Sandy H
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Posts: 29
Grandpa Kindred
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Dear Pat & Greensleeves,
Sorry for the delay in answering. I've been having computer problems.
Thank you both so much for your input!
I will put a post on the Suffolk look-ups for Eliza and Lucy, Jan. 1829 in Framlingham Weekly News or whatever Suffolk newspapers that might be available on film at the SRO in Ipswich. I will let you know if and when I find out how Eliza died.
My mother is very much interested in all of this. I mentioned Ipswich and she said that my American father was stationed in Ipswich during WWII when she met him! They met in London in Hyde Park.
Thanks again for your kind help!
Sandy
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Sandy H
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Grandpa Kindred
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Here's another topic about the same family. I have a garment given to me by my mum. I never knew quite what it was, so I put a post on rootschat and had an interesting journey finding out what it really was used for.
Here's the link:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=372119.new;topicseen#new
Greensleeves, love your animal art! I have a few drawings of large cats and other animals that I've made......not as good as yours!
Cheers
Sandy
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suffolkmawther
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'Jumper' & Eliza Fulker
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Whilst checking Framlingham baptisms for another Rootschatter, I came across the following
30th July 1815
John age 6, Eliza age 4, Frederick baptised
Children of Edmund and Lucy Kindred (nee Wright)
Occupation Miller
24th August 1828
Lucy Agnes daughter of Edmund and Lucy Kindred (nee Wright)
Occupation Miller
Presumably Frederick was a baby at the baptism?
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Every time I find an ancestor, I have to find two more !
SUFFOLK - Pendle, Stygall, Pipe, Fruer, Bridges, Fisk, Bellamy, Sparham
DERBY - Bridges and Frost (originally from Framlingham/Parham Suffolk)
NOTTINGHAM - Lambert and Selby
BERKSHIRE/then Hammersmith/Barnes LND - Fulker
LONDON/MDX - Murray, Clancy, Broker, Hoskins, Marsden, Wilson, Sale
Gt-Grandfather Michael Wilson was born in Cork, lived in Fulham London - arrived Boston USA 1889 alone - what happened next?
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Sandy H
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Grandpa Kindred
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Hi Pat!
Yes, Frederick was a baby in July 1815. He was born 11 Nov 1814 and his mother was Lucy Wright.
If Lucy Kindred was 7 months old when she died in Jan 1829, she must have been born in June and baptized shortly after in August.
Thank you for passing that information on to me!
Cheers
Sandy
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windy_miller
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Sandy,
Edmund Kindred was miller at "Kindred's Mill" in 1818 until c1830, with John Kindred miller in 1839. John Escaped death when the mill collapsed while being raised in 1842. Mill was tenanted by the Kindred's but owned by others.
Victoria Mill was built in 1843 by Whitmore & Binyon (local millwrights) and was being worked by John Kindred. Most likely she was built oin site of the collapsed mill. Between 1847 & 55 Frederick Kindred took over (Ipswich Journal, 1842/09/24) ; John Kindred found his self in jail in 1853 for debt (London Gazette, 1853/05/17).
Frederick Kindred had died by 1863, having become bankrupt himself around 1857(London Gazette, 1857/01/27).
After this date no further Kindreds are recorded as millers in Fram.
Hope this helps with your research,
Windy Miller.
PS Anything you can add would be great!
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windmills, watermills, steam-mills, bark-mills, cotton mills, &c. millwrights & millers
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Tom Piper
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Sandy,
A Samuel Kindred of Framlingham , a labourer, was committed to the Woodbridge Bridewell for obtaining grocery goods from a Susannah Freeman on false pretences in December 1828 according to the Ipswich Journal.
Have a look at 19th century British Newspapers from Gale Databases available from Lancashire Libraries, just join up online and start searching. Great fun, but no mention of anything about the name Kindred in 1829.
Tom
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