|
Pages: [1]
|
 |
|
Author
|
Topic: Conundrum (Read 372 times)
|
omega 1
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 278
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
 |
Conundrum
« on: Wednesday 08 April 09 13:19 UTC (UK) » |
|
Hi
Hope i can pick some brains.
In 1854 Mary Ann Todd marries,aged 24,Dad John a bricklayer,at Brighton.
I have Mary Ann on 1841 & 1851 with Mum Mary Ann,born Sompting & Dad John,Bricklayer cant make up his mind where he was born.
On the SMI & IGI i found a marriage for John Todd & Mary Ann Kelly
24 May 1829,St Peter The Great,Chichester.
Rightly or wrongly assumed this to be right.
I have just received a birth cert for Sarah Ann Todd,13 May 1839 ,it gives Mums maiden name as Graves.
Sarah died at the age of one.
Something does`nt add up
I have looked on SMI for a Mary Graves marrying a John Todd,nothing.
I have Mary Ann Todds death cert,1866,wife of John Todd,Bricklayer Journeyman.
Does anyone have access to Sompting PRs to look up a baptisum for Mary Ann,please.
Grateful for any help.
Omega
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
James,Pembrokeshire,Carmathenshire & Glamorganshire.
David/Davies,Pembrokshire.
Gibby,Pembrokeshire
Griffith,Griffiths,Pembrokeshire& Carmarthenshire
Wilkin,Carmarthenshire
Edward,Pembrokshire
Phillipps,Pembrokeshire
Brown,Pembrokeshire
Evan/s ,Pembrokeshire
Llewellyn,Pembrokeshire
Bowen,Carmarthenshire
|
|
|
lizdb
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 9414
|
|
Re: Conundrum
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 16:17 UTC (UK) » |
|
Looks like one of three scenarios
a) There are two or more couples John and Mary Ann Todd, one where MAry was nee Graves and they had a child Sarah who dies, and one where the Mary is nee Kelly, and then either they have a child MAry Ann, or that is a thirs couple.
With names like John and Mary Ann this is not out of the question.
b) These are all the same, and MAry Ann married twice, hence maiden name Graves, but a previous marriage to Kelly
c) One of the records is wrong!
Did the family with "your" Mary Ann in, on 1841 and 1851, have any younger siblings born after Civil Registration?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
omega 1
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 278
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
|
Re: Conundrum
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 16:33 UTC (UK) » |
|
Hi
These are Mary Ann & Johns children.
Mary Ann aged 10,George 5,John 5,Jane 4 on 1841.Living in Brighton.
Then William born 1843.
I may get his birth cert.
The marriage on IGI was extracted.
It did pass my mind Mary had been married before.
Thank-you
Omega
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
James,Pembrokeshire,Carmathenshire & Glamorganshire.
David/Davies,Pembrokshire.
Gibby,Pembrokeshire
Griffith,Griffiths,Pembrokeshire& Carmarthenshire
Wilkin,Carmarthenshire
Edward,Pembrokshire
Phillipps,Pembrokeshire
Brown,Pembrokeshire
Evan/s ,Pembrokeshire
Llewellyn,Pembrokeshire
Bowen,Carmarthenshire
|
|
|
forester
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 1891
|
|
Re: Conundrum
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 08 April 09 21:12 UTC (UK) » |
|
Or John and Mary Ann didn't marry in Sussex. 
What are the birth places given for John?
Phil
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
omega 1
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 278
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
|
Re: Conundrum
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 09 April 09 09:29 UTC (UK) » |
|
Living in Brighton .
On the 1841 John is born of County.
1851,Lincoln
1861, Windsor
I have phone Register Office to double check,Marys MN Graves.
On Ancestry i found a christening for oldest daughter.
Mary Ann Todd,22nd Apr 1827, Brighton.
Mum & Dad John Todd & Mary.
I just dont know where to look for a marriage for this pair.
I have searched SMI but had no luck.
Mary Ann died 1866.
John died in The Workhouse in 1877.
As yet hav`nt found him on 1871.
Omega
Omega
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
James,Pembrokeshire,Carmathenshire & Glamorganshire.
David/Davies,Pembrokshire.
Gibby,Pembrokeshire
Griffith,Griffiths,Pembrokeshire& Carmarthenshire
Wilkin,Carmarthenshire
Edward,Pembrokshire
Phillipps,Pembrokeshire
Brown,Pembrokeshire
Evan/s ,Pembrokeshire
Llewellyn,Pembrokeshire
Bowen,Carmarthenshire
|
|
|
Norris1066
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 3
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
|
Re: Conundrum
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 November 09 00:16 UTC (UK) » |
|
I'm stuck on the same couple, Omega1. They were my great-great-great grandparents; I'm a Goring, their daughter Mary Ann Todd married my GG-grandfather Joseph Goring in 1854.
I think we are safe in saying that John Todd was born in Lincoln in about 1806 and that his wife Mary was born in Sompting, Sussex, sometime between 1801 & 1804; (as per census returns) but I can't get further.
I'd gone for the "Kelly" option for her maiden name, simply because it was the only Mary from Sompting of the right age marrying a 'John Todd' that I'd been able to trace (married 1829, Chichester), but couldn't trace any parents.
However if you say the Registry office have confirmed her maiden name as "Graves", then I'm happy to accept that.; although I still can't find a Mary Ann Graves born in Sompting at the right time!
Nor can I get back any further than John Todd being born in Lincoln.
If you have any luck, please let me know!
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
omega 1
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 278
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
|
Re: Conundrum
« Reply #6 on: Monday 23 November 09 14:14 UTC (UK) » |
|
Hi Norris
Pleased to meet you & welcome to Rootschat.
Sorry i have not replied before but nasty little Virus attacked me.
After a lot of digging & joining SFHG ,i beleive i have found Mary Ann beening baptised in Lancing .
I personally think John left his wife & never married our Mary .
Omega
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
James,Pembrokeshire,Carmathenshire & Glamorganshire.
David/Davies,Pembrokshire.
Gibby,Pembrokeshire
Griffith,Griffiths,Pembrokeshire& Carmarthenshire
Wilkin,Carmarthenshire
Edward,Pembrokshire
Phillipps,Pembrokeshire
Brown,Pembrokeshire
Evan/s ,Pembrokeshire
Llewellyn,Pembrokeshire
Bowen,Carmarthenshire
|
|
|
omega 1
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 278
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
|
Re: Conundrum
« Reply #7 on: Monday 23 November 09 14:26 UTC (UK) » |
|
Hi Norris
I forgot to say i have never been able to find John Todd on the 1871.
John died in 1877 in the Workhouse.We have both his & Mary Ann`s death cert.
My husband descends from Edward Goring born 1864.
Please excuse any spelling mistakes,my head is still a bit fuzzy 
Omega 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
James,Pembrokeshire,Carmathenshire & Glamorganshire.
David/Davies,Pembrokshire.
Gibby,Pembrokeshire
Griffith,Griffiths,Pembrokeshire& Carmarthenshire
Wilkin,Carmarthenshire
Edward,Pembrokshire
Phillipps,Pembrokeshire
Brown,Pembrokeshire
Evan/s ,Pembrokeshire
Llewellyn,Pembrokeshire
Bowen,Carmarthenshire
|
|
|
Norris1066
RootsChat Extra
Posts: 3
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
|
Re: Conundrum
« Reply #8 on: Monday 23 November 09 23:13 UTC (UK) » |
|
Hi Omega,
Hope you're feeling better!
If your husband's descended from Edward Goring, 1864, then he & I must be at least 2nd cousins or closer - I'm Paul Goring (born 1964) , my dad's 'Ted' (Edward) Goring (born 1933), son of Edward Goring (born 1897), son of the 1864 Edward.
I've got a lot of info on the ancestors of both Edward G & Annie Moon, his wife, which I'll happily share with you.
Well done on your discovery of Mary Ann in Lancing - if they never officially married, that would explain the difficulty in tracing her! Was it the 'Graves' maiden name in Lancing?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
omega 1
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 278
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
|
|
Re: Conundrum
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 09:29 UTC (UK) » |
|
Hi Norris
Lot better today,thank-you.
Husbands Grandmother was Ada Emily Goring who married Frederick Mitchell .
The birth cert i sent for was Sarah Anne Todd, 13th May 1839,Father John,Bricklayer,Mother Mary Todd nee Graves.
It really threw me,i was expecting Mary to be nee Kelly.
I have learnt along the way NEVER assume anything.
I will send you a Personal Message,then i can explain more.
Omega
PS,I have researched The Moon`s & the Curtis/Curties line.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
James,Pembrokeshire,Carmathenshire & Glamorganshire.
David/Davies,Pembrokshire.
Gibby,Pembrokeshire
Griffith,Griffiths,Pembrokeshire& Carmarthenshire
Wilkin,Carmarthenshire
Edward,Pembrokshire
Phillipps,Pembrokeshire
Brown,Pembrokeshire
Evan/s ,Pembrokeshire
Llewellyn,Pembrokeshire
Bowen,Carmarthenshire
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1]
|
|
|
|
|
