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Duncan Donuts
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I am trying to find Harriet! She was living in Undercliff, Hastings with her husband, James Webb in the 1851 census. (James born Warehorne, Kent in 1827) We can't find a marriage, nor a birth for Harriet.
She was born, according to different records, between 1819 and 1824, with most records showing 1821 or 1822.
If anyone is able to look for any possible Harriets in Ickleham in that time period it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Dunc
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AMBLY
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Hi Dunc
Where were they after 1851?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Duncan Donuts
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Hi AMBLY
I should have said that we believe they went to the US in 1854, settling in St Louis, Missouri by 1860
Dunc
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kerryb
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Hi Dunc
There are 15 Harriot/Harriets born in Icklesham between 1818 and 1827.
Somehow I think we need to trace the marriage to track down her surname.
Kerry
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kerryb
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Do you have any idea who Alice Wheeler age 10 on the 1851 census was?
Might she be a clue. It says visitor but was she a niece or daughter by first marriage perhaps??
Kerry
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Duncan Donuts
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Hi
I've been away for Easter, sorry for the slow response.
On Ancestry.com there is a record for Alice Wheeler christened 16 Jul 1841 in Hastings, daughter of John Wheeler and Sarah. It is possible that John or Sarah is a relation of Harriet, but we have no Wheelers in our tree.
In regards to the marriage, on FreeBMD there are about 35 James Webbs who married a Harriet(t). None of them are in the general localities of Hastings (1851 residence), Icklesham (Harriet's birth or adjacent Kent (Jame's birth).
I was hoping to find a match between the Icklesham Harriet baptisms and one of the James Webb marriages. I have looked at all 35 marriages, and found no obvious connection to Icklesham - eg 1841 Census.
Thanks
Dunc
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kerryb
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Hmm a difficult one
Sadly none of the Icklesham Harriots were a Wheeler either.
Kerry
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Duncan Donuts
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Here are all the James Webb marriages to Harriet(t) between the 1841 and 1851 censuses.
Hopefully there is an Icklesham surname in there! Of course she could have been a widow!
Thanks for your help.
Dunc.
Surname, year, place
Harriet....
Huish, 1841, Melksham.
Pigott, 1842, Birmingham
Hollis, 1843, Oxford
Riches, 1843, Plomesgate
Hall, 1843, Chorlton
Holloway, 1844, Stourbridge
Shaw, 1845, St Pancras
Knight, 1845, Plomesgate
Bradshaw, 1846, Barrow on Soar
Middleton, 1846, Martley
Fryer, 1846, Cheltenham
Hornsby, 1847, Lambeth
Ridout(t),1847, Shoreditch
May, 1847, Redruth
Clewer, 1848, Droitwich
Summerfield, 1848, Greenwich
Row, 1848, Shoreditch
Barker, 1848, Saffron Walden
Roper, 1849, Whitechapel
Holland, 1849, Stepney
Bowyer, 1849, Risbridge
Vale, 1849, Solihull
Newland, 1849, Strand
Harietta Coupers, 1849, Strand
Smith, 1849, Cirencester
Baugh, 1849, Birmingham
Brittain/Brittian, 1850, Norwich
Richards, 1850, Redruth
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kerryb
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Hm none of them match 
Kerry
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Stovepipe
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Dunc,
Given the lack of much other evidence (especially Harriet's marriage) I'd suggest finding more out about Alice Wheeler. Kerry makes a good point about her perhaps being a niece or other relation.
You don't have Wheelers in your tree, but then you don't yet know Harriet's maiden name. Neither do you know the maiden name of Alice's mother.
Assuming the mother is Sarah, wife of John Wheeler, it's probably worth trying to find her in the censuses to see if she came from Icklesham, and if so to find her maiden name from her marriage record.
This is the best the SMI has to offer (I couldn't find a likely marriage after 1837 at the FreeBMD site).
Place: Bexhill, East Sussex
Date: 15 Sep 1819:
Subject: John WHEELER
Spouse: Sarah SHOESMITH, (B)
This would make Alice a rather late child, but not impossibly so. Also it would make Sarah quite a bit older than Harriet, but they still could be sisters.
Does the Icklesham register have a Harriet Shoesmith with the same parents as a much older Sarah? Or can we find a more likely marriage for John Wheeler to a Sarah? Or other parents for Alice?
Just some ideas for investigation.
Stovepipe
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Duncan Donuts
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Hi Stovepipe
Thanks for the Wheeler suggestion, which I hadn't discounted, but was hoping for a quicker solution. I agree it is now worth further investigastion.
It now strikes me that Harriet may well have been widowed. If she is widowed, and born in Icklesham, then I need to find a marriage for one of the 15 Harriets to one of the 28 surnames on the list of Harriets who married James Webb. Do you have that list Kerry?
One more thought was the widow living at the same address, Harriet Everest. She is of the correct age to be Harriet's mother. Is there a Harriet Everest born in Icklesham?
The possibility exists that she wasn't actually born in Icklesham, but perhaps moved there as a very young child. That makes her almost impossible to find. In other words, just harder!
Thanks
Dunc
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kerryb
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Hi Dunc
Here is the surnames of the Harriets I found.
Harriot Hessell
Harriot Barden
Harriot Paine
Harriot Clark
Harriot Beale
Harriot Glazier
Harriot Bates
Harriot Piper
Harriet Hunt
Harriot Crossingham
Harriot Fellows
Harriot Barden
Harriot Mastus
Harriet Freeland
Harriet Douch
Kerry
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Duncan Donuts
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Thanks everyone for all the lookups and suggestions.
Unfortunately, none matched up, so it seems as if Harriet will remain a mystery!
She had no children, but who knows, maybe one day someone researching Harriet's family may come across this post..........
Cheers
Dunc
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