hilbe
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Hi Phil
I have very little information about the Bradleys before Lucy and Edron. The sketchy bits I have found out are that Edron's parents could be Daniel Bradley and Elizabeth (?) and there could be two other siblings James and Daniel. Possibly Daniel's parents were James Bradley and Mary Durrham married 12 Oct 1757. It really means checking/confirming parish records but this I have not done yet. I do know that Bradley is a very common name to this day in Shipston on Stour!
As regards Lucy and Edron other children I have found are Ann, Elizabeth, possiby Catherine, Caroline (I have mentioned), William, Eleanor (your interested in) and Lucy.
Do you have anything further back than I have mentioned?
Best wishes
Hilbe
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philrob
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Dear Hilbe,
I am sorry but I cannot help you on this one - you have much more information than I have. What I do know is Eleanor's daughter Lucy married Robert Matthew Robertson (my Grandfather's brother). Before I started this exchange through Rootschat I knew nothing at all about the Bradley family except a few points found from various census details.
If you can suggest any way in which I can help you further in your searching please tell me as I am quite willing to share information. If you wish to extend Eleanor's family line which links up with the Robertson family from Liverpool (that's my line) then please let me know. I can tell you that Lucy Caroline married Robert Matthew Robertson in 1897 and up till 1913 had had at least eight children. Robert died in 1930 and Lucy Caroline passed away in Liverpool in 1941. I have a photograph of their grave in Toxteth Park Cemetery if you wish to see it.
Best Regards, 
Philrob in West OZ
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hilbe
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Hi Phil
Thanks for offering to share information. I am continuing to try to track down more Bradleys, but with Lucy's maiden name being Bradley as well it could take some time!
My interest as I said is in Lucy & Edron's daughter Caroline who is my Great Great Grandmother. She married Samuel Blakeman in 1849. Their daughter Elizabeth my Great Grandmother married Hans Christian Holm from Denmark in Liverpool in 1876. At the time of their marriage they were both living with Eleanor & James Anderson in Liverpool and James was a witness on their marriage cert. Before her marriage Elizabeth was living with the Andersons in Liverpool.
I also have some more information about Lucy and Edron's other siblings which I can let you have if you you don't have it already. It would be interesting to see the photograph of Lucy and Robert's gravestone and any information you have on the Robertson line which I can add to my family tree.
Hope this is of interest to you.
Best wishes
Hilbe
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philrob
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Hilbe,
Could you please send me your private e-mail address so that I can send you a photograph?
My e-mail address is as follows: (*)
Many thanks,
Phil in West OZ
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liverbird09
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Hi Hilbe
Please bear with me this forum is new to me, although family history isn't. My hubby shares Elizabeth Holm(es) as his great grandmother too. His Grandmother, Ellen(Nelly) Holm(es) born in Barrow in Furness 1881, daughter of Elizabeth and Hans. They were back in Liverpool by 1901.
Hans anglicized his name to Charles Holmes (which I guess you know already) that certainly made searching for him interesting.
Do you have any further information on the Danish ancestors apart from Anders Holm being his father?
We have recently returned from a visit to Shipston and surrounding area, very lovely it was too. Visited the church where the Bradleys events took place. Just a short distance from Shipston is Honington where Samuel Blakemans family resided. Maybe some of our recent findings will be of interest.
Regards
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hilbe
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Hi Liverbird
I have found some information which I think relates to the Holm ancestors, but as yet haven't been able to confirm that it is absolutely correct. Anders Holm b. 1810 married Elsebeth Kirstine Boss b. 1816. Hans Christian was born/christened 6 Sep 1846 in Ronne Kobstad, Bornholm, Denmark. There were 4 other children Frederikke b.1845, Andreas b.1849, Jens P. b. 1854 and Elisabet Andrie b.1857. Elsebeth Kirstine Boss's parents were Arent Boss and Ellen Elisabeth Hansdatter Schou who were married in 1811.
I was interested to note that you had visited Shipston and Honington where the Blradley and Blakeman families lived. I have not been able to find a birth reference for Elizabeth Blakeman or her sister Mary Ann, and do you know if Caroline born 1849 was their sister? Any information on this would be helpful.
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liverbird09
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Hi Hilbe
thanks for reply. I also have the unverified info on the Danish side. Looks like a visit to Denmark's record office is vital, whoopee.
The parish register confirmed Elizabeth Blakeman b.8th July 1855 daughter of Samuel Blakeman and Caroline Bradley.
I do not have the birth ref for her sister. However what I can confirm is Lucy Bradley had another daughter before she married Edron her name was Mary Ann b. 15th Oct 1823 the fathers name was not shown. This Mary Ann went on to marry a William Harris in 1844 in Shipston. They subsequently had a daughter also called Mary Ann who appears as a witness to Hans and elizabeth's marriage.
regards
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hilbe
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Hi Liverbird
I also have Elizabeth Blakeman's birth/christening as 8 July 1855 but can't find a birth index reference number for that year under her name. Have you been able to obtain her birth certificate?
I was interested that you said Lucy Bradley had another daughter before she married Edron. Is it the same Lucy Bradley as there are two one born 1794 (who I think is our Lucy) and one born 1800. I note that the Harris family lived near the Blakeman family in Stratford Rd. Shipston in 1861 and that their daughter Mary Ann was working as a servant for the Fisher family in Liverpool in 1881 and in 1891 with her niece also called Mary Ann. In 1871 I have a Mary Ann Blakeman servant for the Fishers after Eleanor Bradley was there in 1861- could this be Elizabeth's sister? I have a marriage between a Mary Ann Blakeman and James Martin Nelson in 1873 in Liverpool.
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Hilbe
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liverbird09
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Hi Hilbe
There I was thinking i had them all neatly pigeon-holed and then the cat came!
I have photos taken from the parish register in Warwick record office, of Elizabeth b 8th july 1855 daughter of samuel and caroline blakeman, their address shown as Husband End, occupation of father labourer.
Another photo of a Mary Ann b15th oct 1823 with mothers name only Lucy Bradley.( can only guess which Lucy. )
Photo of Lucy and Edron marriage lines 24th May 1824.
Photo of William Harris and Mary Ann Bradley Marriage lines 23rd April 1844.
Photo of Samuel Blakeman b 22nd Feb 1818 son of John and Susannah address Honington occupation Labourer.
Photo of John and Susannah Marriage lines 29th Aug 1815.
Hope all this is useful to you.
I'm going to have a lie down in a dark room and digest some of your info.
many thanks
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liverbird09
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Hi me again,feeling a little puzzled.
As previously mentioned I have a photo of marriage lines between william Harris and Mary Ann Bradley 1844, this shows Lucy Bradley in the father's name and occupation slot. Again as in mary ann's birth reg, no fathers name. I am assuming this is our Lucy, I could be wrong but the Harris and Mary Ann names and time line all fit. I think it is their daughter Mary A Harris age 26 servant to the Fisher ladies in 1881. It is certainly difficult, isn't it, sorting out who is who when they used the same christian names.
Do you know in which year Charles Holmes died, I know he was still alive in 1918. I am trying to discover his resting place also Elizabeth's.
I have posted the photo of gravestone for Andersen and bradley. I expect you have this already.
best wishes
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hilbe
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Hi Liverbird
Thank you very much for posting all the info you got from your visit to Warwick Record Office. It was very interesting and useful. Some of the dates/details I already had but it's nice to have them confirmed!
Re the Harris's - it is confusing who's who, perhaps I'll look at them again some time in the future!
I would still like to obtain Elizabeth Blakeman's birth cert. Was the date of 8 July 1855 in the parish records given as her date of birth or christening date? I have never had the opportunity to search parish records so don't know what they contain. Any more info would be greatly appreciated. Re her sister Mary Ann Blakeman, the reason I am interested in her is that on the 1851 and 1861 Censuses her age is 2 and 12 respectively. If this is correct it may be that she was born before Caroline and Samuel were married as I have their marriage cert with date of marriage as 15 December 1849, so if Mary Ann's age is correct she must have been born in 1849.
I do not have the year or anything relating to Charles Holmes' death, although I didn't know he was still alive in 1918, perhaps you could let me know how you know this. I have him on the 1911 Census age 66. I do have a very good photo of him if you would like me to post it next time, unless you already have one. The only Elizabeth Holmes I can find died in June qtr 1909 in Toxteth Park district but nothing more. Can't find anything on the Toxteth Cemetery records for either of them. I have visited the Anderson/Bradley gravestone but did not have a photo.
Hope all this is not too confusing!
Best wishes
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liverbird09
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Hi Hilbe
I am pleased we can help each other. Like you I need to clear my head and have a rethink from time to time.
To be honest the parish registers can be a little sketchy sometimes depending on how far back you go. I think you will only get the same info I have given you, if you send for Elizabeths birth cert. they just transcribe it as seen in the register. That is all there was. I took it as being her birth date.
I can't help with Mary Ann Blakeman as I haven't checked her out yet.
I have been to the record office in L'pool and have taken photos of Han's children's marriage certs. He signed Lucy's in 1913. He was not deceased on his son Charles marriage cert in 1918.
My hubby and myself would be delighted to have the photo of charles/hans as we have nothing at all. thank you so much for all your help. If you would like the photos of our info. i will have to check out the personal message system.
You must be my hubby's relation, how fascinating.
we are on holiday tomorrow so excuse us if we don't get back to you immediately. Best wishes
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liverbird09
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Hi Philrob
I hope you received the info via email ok and good luck with building your tree.
regards
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liverbird09
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hi Hilbe
I am back from short holiday and thought you may like me to send a P M to you with my email address. I have sent some info to our fellow rootschatter and would be glad to do the same for you. Hoping we can exchange photos soon.
best wishes
Whilst browsing some old albums I came across a pic I didn't know we had, of Ellen Holmes, daughter of Elizabeth & Charles...hopefully I have posted it below successfully. Have you received my personal message or am I not doing it right?
Thanks Hilbe for the wonderful photo of Charles you emailed. So wonderful to have a fantastic result so soon after joining Rootschat.
Oops, sorry folks, I have been reliably informed the lady in this photo is the Paternal Granny and not Ellen Holmes
as previously thought.
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