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nightnurse51
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HI there folks,
Hope you can help me out, but I have hit a brick wall big time.
I have my gt grandfather James hunt birth cert in 1905 to George Hunt and Mary Ann REED aka as Pol or Polly HUnt. reg in Greenwich but lived Baildon st Deptford.
I have a marriage cert for George and Mary Ann 1905 and they lived at Baildon Street. Deptford.in 1905.
George was born on Plumstead Common in a tent (Birth cert 1879) and is one of many siblings to William and Eliza Hunt (nee Smith) William from Bucks and Eliza from Witney Oxford. Theie children were born from Bushey herts to Middlesex and kent (parish records and census)
They were on Mitcham common in 1881 and ended up in Wilford road Croydon. I think I have the right death cert of William in 1913 in Croydon.
Cant find out Eliza death but she was alive in 1901.
George's sister Louisa Hunt married George Gardner in 1889 in Croydon.
Had a child called Noah so I think George's father could be Noah Gardner.
NOw the brick wall!.
ON George and Mary's marriage cert it says Mary's father is a AARON REED
grinder. George's father William is a tin man.
The age on the cert of Mary or POlly would make her birth c 1885/1886.
My cousin and I have her death cert and age made her b c 1884, but death certs are only as good as the informer!.
I dont know her mothers name and have no idea where she comes from, cannot find a birth record in the name of REED REid or REad. She of course could have been reg in her mothers surname. Which I dont know her name.
I did find a marriage record for an Aaron Reed and an Annie Brooks.reg in Greenwich in 1885.
Got the cert yesterday and Aaron was a hawker the same as his father also an Aaron, which was a pleasant surprise, because most of my families were hawkers.
The marriage was 1885 and the age for both was 18.
Found a birth record for an Aaron in West Ashford kent in 1867 which fits with the age of the Aaron on the marriage cert.
My problem is I cannot find this family on any of the census!
I can understand missing from 1 census but not all of them.
The witnessess are a George Deacon and Emma Deacon nee Brooks,found a marriage for these two and Emma is a Brooks. Annies sister?? or even mother.
BUT I cant find any of this family on the census
They seemed to avoid authority like the plague.
First I have to connect Mary Ann to the Aaron and Annie I have.
I dont want to waste any more money on going back until I have evidence that this aaron and Annie are Mary's parents.
The only girl that was my grandfathers sister was called Annie b 1917 so have I assumed too much?
I am convinced that this Aaron is the one I want, Why because all my fathers connections are with travellers, hawkers, gypsies and most of the families intermarried.
BUt this is the first time I have come across the name of Brooks and Deacon. John Brooks, Annies father was a flower hawker.
I have tried finding them in Wales Scotland Channel islands and even the isle of man.
The only possible scenario is that they were Irish.
I found a George Taylor Deacon with an Emma on the 1901 census, now again I brightened up because I have very good connections with the elusive Notting hill Taylors/Coopers.
Has anyone heard of travelling Deacons? or does anyone know any Reeds?
There is a mention of an Uncle Paddy connected to the Reeds. So Patrick came to mind.
I know how good you lot are so you are my last hope.
Regards Carol
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Wolfe in Kent and America Australia and New Zealand (Found)
Bullen. in Berks, Stockwell London and New York
Mills in Croydon & Mitcham Gypsy based
Coopers from Croydon, Norwood
THompson Croydon & Mitcham
Green in Croydon and Peckham Camberwell
Reed in Peckham could originate in Ireland
Hunt Bushey Herts walworth Peckham Croydon, Mitcham Gypsy based
Jessop in and around Kent
Taylors Croydon originate from Nottinghill and Acton
Gardner Mitcham
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cathayb
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heres abit of what i have found,i dont think it helps much
cathayb 2009.2.26 20:23
i have got a few more in a different area again but then if they were travellers they would have travelled!!!!dont know if these will tie in somewhere.
Name Age Birthplace Relationship Occupation 1901 cencus bertha reed staying with hearns as a grandaughter!!!!
Edmund Hearn 78 Harefield, Middlesex, England Head Living on Own Means
Rebecca Hearn 71 Padcross, Hertfordshire Wife
John Hearn 27 Watford, Hertfordshire Son Boot Maker
Bertha Reed 12 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Granddaughter
1 Lord's Mill Cottages
Name Age Birthplace Relationship Occupation 1891 cencus
Thomas Reed 26 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Head Bootmaker
Dorcas Reed 26 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Wife
Bertha Reed 3 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Daughter
225 Waterside
Name Age Birthplace Relationship Occupation 1901 cencus
Thomas Reed 39 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Head Inn Keeper
Dorcas Reed 38 Stanmore, Middlesex, England Wife
Bertha Reed 14 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Daughter
Ellen Reed 11 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Daughter
Ernest Reed 8 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Son
Edmund Reed 6 Chesham, Buckinghamshire Son
Thomas Fennell 42 Acton, Middlesex, England Boarder Water & Gas Jointer
Walter Brightman 20 Berkhampsted, Hertfordshire Boarder Water & Gas Jointer
Tylers Hill, (5 Bells)
i know mary horner who owns this site says she knows of reeds and marks and here they are with a grandaughter hearn.hearns are marys family line.
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birchs taylors penfold orchard hughes all romany gypsies in the west country
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KSD
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I posted a message at the beginning of the year regarding a Phoebe Dunn/Baker. I was guided to the Reed/Baker family. I have an Aaron Baker marrying an Ellen Reed in Tenterden in 1872. I have a marriage certificate for an Albert Baker who married 1905. He was 23 and a hawker. His father was given as Aaron Baker. Albert went on to have a flower stall in Catford market.
I don't know if this is any help.
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KSD
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Just managed to find the marriage certificate for Albert Baker ( knew it had to be here somewhere). The address is given as 41 Baildon Street so we must have a match.
Albert was living with Stephen and Rose Welling in 1901. I believe Albert had sisters Rose, Phoebe, Charlotte and Mary Ann. Sometimes the names are given as Baker and sometimes Reed.
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KSD
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Sorry, Tenterden is in Kent. Not far from Rye.
I recently got the birth certificate for Phoebe Reed born 1872 in Tenterden.
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KSD
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On the marriage certificate for Rose Baker/Stephen Welling, Rose's father is given as Aaron Baker but one of the witnesses is Aaron Reed.
I believe Ellen Reed married an Aaron Baker in 1872 but she had some children before who seem to have been named Reed but in the census appear as Baker.
I believe the son Aaron sometimes calls himself Baker and sometimes Reed.
Do you have anymore information about the Bakers. I have been years trying to trace Phoebe Baker who appears to have been registered as Phoebe Reed.
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nightnurse51
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Have no idea about the Bakers at all but with info I have now Ill look it all up.
BUt I have a Moses Welling in my tree born c 1841 who married into the well known Cooper Family. Mazally Cooper.
THe following families all married into one another at some stage or another which was common for Gypsies or travelling families.
Mills, Cooper, Taylor, Penfold, Gardner, HUnt.and of course Smith
Some of The Taylor family in my tree derived from mathias Cooper of Queen Victoria Fame, and Mazally Cooper derives from the Norwood Coopers. She was one of the Daughters of Robert Cooper and Sylvia Williams.
Robert Cooper being the son of Samuel Cooper 1794 -1856 (King of the Gypsies) and Flora.
Robert and Matthias were either cousins or Uncle and nephew. Still figuring that one out!.
The Bakers are a new family to me, but it would explain alot as I cant find any reeds at all.
Could you give me some more of the details of your marriage cert like who was Stephen Welling's father? where the marriage took place and who was the other witness. Year would be helpful. Was it Tenterden?
Witnessess can determine a certain family connection.
What is Phoebe to you? You say you have been trying to trace her for years. In which way forwards or backwards?
My Hunt and Reed families ended up in Deptford area although they lived in surrounding areas.
Carol
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Wolfe in Kent and America Australia and New Zealand (Found)
Bullen. in Berks, Stockwell London and New York
Mills in Croydon & Mitcham Gypsy based
Coopers from Croydon, Norwood
THompson Croydon & Mitcham
Green in Croydon and Peckham Camberwell
Reed in Peckham could originate in Ireland
Hunt Bushey Herts walworth Peckham Croydon, Mitcham Gypsy based
Jessop in and around Kent
Taylors Croydon originate from Nottinghill and Acton
Gardner Mitcham
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KSD
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The person I am interested in is David Dunn. He was living with the Wellings in Greenwich at time of 1901 census. He could never trace his birth. Bridget and Dennis Dunn are listed as his siblings.
I believe Phoebe Baker/Reed was his mother and Rose Welling (nee Baker/Reed) his aunt. I could be wrong.
Rosina Baker married Stephen Willing (Welling) om Deptford 1885. Fathers William Willing and Aaron Baker. Witnesses Aaron Reed and Henrietta Knight.
Stephen had been married before.
David Dunn married Edith Loveridge in 1910. Dennis Dunn married Hilda Smith in 1920 (witnesses Sarah Bartlett and William Mannering). Bridget Dunn married William Mannering in 1915 but she refers to her maiden name as Read. (Witnesses Edward and Sarah Bartlett.)
1871 census has an Aaron Read in Stowting and then a Hernhen Baker in the 1881 census. Rose and Phoebe are also mentioned. Mother is Eleanor Baker. Father Aaron/John Baker.
There are births for Phoebe and Rosina Reed in Tenterden, Kent. There is a marriage for Ellen Read to Aaron Baker in 1872 in Tenterden.
Albert Baker was born in 1883 and married 1905. Witnesses Thomas Edward Finch and Charlotte Grange-I think Charlotte is Charlotte Reed, sister to Phoebe and Rose.
I don't know if any of this helps.
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