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emjaye
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Frederick James Cameron, born Jun 1883, Elgin (illigitimate) Parents listed as Robert Cameron and Martha McKenzie. Does anyone have any information about Robert and Martha? Thank you.
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CaroleW
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat
Not a lot of info to go on really so I can only offer this 1881 entry as a possibility for Robert - purely because of his age and he was single. However there were also 2 married Robert Cameron's in Elgin in 1881
6 Lady Lane
Jessie Harrold 47 b Dallas Elgin
Janet Harrold 78 b Greenock - mother
Robert Cameron 24 son b Elgin occ cloth dyer
John Harrold 14 son b Elgin
Alexander Harrold 11 son b Elgin
George Harrold 6 son b Elgin
Alexander Stronach 25 nephew b Elgin
Elgin ED 1 Page 17 Line 18
Martha is easier - address Wester Alves
James Ellis 36 b Alves
Mary Ellis 25 b Drainie
William Ellis 2 b Alves
Martha McKenzie 19 b Drainie - sister in law
Robert Cameron Under 1 Month b Alves nephew
John Fraser 27 b Grantown - boarder
Alexander Fraser 19 b Cawdor - boarder
Alves ED 2 Page: 2 Line 7
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CaroleW
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I reckon these are the 2 boys on the 1891 census
Hill Terrace 6 Elgin
Jessie Harrold 50 b Dallas Elgin
John 24 b Elgin
George 16 b Elgin
Robert Harrold 10 g/son b Elgin
Frederick Harrold 7 g/son b Elgin
Elgin ED 1 Page 15 Line 14
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CaroleW
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I can't find Robert in 1891- there is an entry for a Robert Cameron b Elgin 1859 but it is a different person
No trace of Martha either - she is not with the Ellis's
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CaroleW
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From the IGI at www.familysearch.org
MARTHA WOOD MC KENZIE Birth: 29 APR 1861 Drainie, Moray,
Father: JAMES MC KENZIE Mother: MARY DUNBAR GATHERER
JAMES MACKENZIE Spouse: MARY GATHERER
Marriage: 20 DEC 1852 Elgin Moray
All the following IGI entries have the same parents and were in Drainie
FREDERICK JAMES GATHERER MAC KENZIE
Birth: 21 MAY 1854
ISABELLA GATHERER MC KENZIE Birth: 18 JAN 1864
MARY WOOD MAC KENZIE Birth: 15 OCT 1855
JOHN GATHERER MAC KENZIE Birth: 25 JUN 1857
MARGARET WOOD BRANDER MACKENZIE Birth: 29 AUG 1859
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CaroleW
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1861 for Pet Gaverry St Drainie
James McKenzie 39 house carpenter b Dyke Moray
Mary 37 b Duffus Moray
Fred 6
Mary 5
John G 3
Margaret 1
Jessie Campbell 17 servant b Auldearn, Nairnshire
Drainie ED 2 Page 11 Line 10
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CaroleW
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1871 for High St Drainie
Looks like mum Mary has died
James McKenzie 43 house carpenter (master)
John 13
Margaret 11
Martha 9
Drainie ED 4 Page 24 Line 11
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emjaye
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Thank so much Carole. You've definitely been a help. Pretty sure the Janet Harrold , aged 78, listed in your 1881 census would be the grandmother of Margaret (searching for in one of my other posts) Janet's maiden name is Lawson. She died Dec 1881 at 6 Lady Lane, Elgin.
There's definitely a connection I would think as Janet's great grandaughter Jessie (also illigitimate) married Frederick James Cameron. The Robert Cameron (24) looks as though he was staying in the Harrold household altho I don't know why he is listed as a "son". This may be where he met Martha, who I have as living at 7 Lady Lane... confusing isn't it?
emjaye
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KirstyG
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There is a listing for Robert and Martha in Libindx. It is pretty minimal, but it does state that Robert lived in Elgin and America. If he emigrated that may be why you can't find him in the later census records.
http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp
Reference No.:
NM242485
Robert (aged 24 in 1881 census) may well be Jessie's son.
from IGI (extracted)
ROBERT CAMERON OR HARROLD
11th February 1857 Elgin
parents ROBERT CAMERON and JESSIE HARROLD
Kirsty
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KirstyG
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There is also a large entry for Frederick James Cameron on Libindx, which lists numerous entries in the register of poor for Parish of Elgin over several decades. This might give you more information about the family.
There are also biographies, his obituary, Morayshire roll of honour entry (1814-1818), and a headstone reference.
Libindx Reference No.: NM031581
I don't know if you have any of this already.
Kirsty
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CaroleW
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Hi
1861 for 287 High St Elgin
Alexander Harrold 70 b Dallas shoemaker
Janet 60 wife b Dallas
William Munro 12 g/son b Dallas
James Grant 7 g/son b Elgin
Alexander Stronach 5 g/son b Elgin - see 1881 entry
Robert Cameron 4 g/son b Elgin
Elgin ED 1 Page 17 Line 8
1871 for 6 Lady Lane Elgin - all g/children b Elgin
Alexander Harrold 80
Jane wife 70 b Greenock, Renfrewshire
Janet 42 dtr b Dallas
James Grant 17 g/son
Robert Cameron 14 g/son
John Cameron 4 g/son
Alexander Harrold 1 g/son
Elgin ED 1 Page 17 Line 18
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emjaye
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Thank you Carole. I sorted through the information you gave me y'day and got things matched up. I had found the Libindx entries for Robert and Martha, so it's great to know I'm on the right track. I also found Robert's birth certificate y'day from "Scotlands People", which confirmed his mother as Jessie Harrold. He was illigitimate, which would be why he is listed as a son. The Libindx entry for Jessie Harrold lists her as the mother of several children, seemingly to different fathers. She must have been the town's good time girl! O well, back to it!!
emjaye
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RD
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From the IGI at www.familysearch.orgMARTHA WOOD MC KENZIE Birth: 29 APR 1861 Drainie, Moray, Father: JAMES MC KENZIE Mother: MARY DUNBAR GATHERER JAMES MACKENZIE Spouse: MARY GATHERER Marriage: 20 DEC 1852 Elgin Moray All the following IGI entries have the same parents and were in Drainie FREDERICK JAMES GATHERER MAC KENZIE Birth: 21 MAY 1854 ISABELLA GATHERER MC KENZIE Birth: 18 JAN 1864 MARY WOOD MAC KENZIE Birth: 15 OCT 1855 JOHN GATHERER MAC KENZIE Birth: 25 JUN 1857 MARGARET WOOD BRANDER MACKENZIE Birth: 29 AUG 1859
The MacKenzies, James and Mary (Gatherer) are my GGG grand parents. Mary Ellis, their daughter (Mary Wood Mackenzie) is my GG granny, born 13th October 1855.
I didn't know that her sister Martha had a child named after their brother Frederick.
Also, their mother Mary Gatherer did die about a month after the birth of her last daughter Isabella. Mary Gatherer died on 12th February 1864 at 10 o'clock p.m. The baby Isabella sadly died on the 1st July 1864 at 4.00 a.m.
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Forfarian
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1861 for Pet Gaverry St Drainie
That will be Pitgaveny Street, Lossiemouth.
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