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davides
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Lots of Ann Fages & lots of confusion!
John Goss (b 1749 in Sandy) m Elizabeth Angel in 1772 and Ann Fage in 1788.
Up until now I had Ann Fage (b 1744 in Sandy) daughter of John Fage (b 1711( & Elizabeth Sexton (b 1717);
with children of Samuel (b 1789), Thomas (b 1790), Jeremiah (b 1793), Ann (b 1795), Sarah (b 1800), Samuel (b 1803) and Edith (b 1806).
I think I have missed a generation of Fages. Some trees on Ancestry suggest that Ann Fage was born in 1767 and daughter of John Fage and Mary Ayres. This would seem to be highly likely but for the fact that LDS suggests that the Ann Fage (b 1767) died in 1772.
Would appreciate any confirmation of the "facts".
David
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bedfordshire boy
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Have visitors at the moment so haven't had chance to study your dilemma. Will do so as soon as I get a minute of peace. But you have a 62 year old having a child in 1806 which must be wrong
There are burials in Sandy of Ann Fage on 15 May 1772, 18 Mar 1777, 9 Dec 1778, and 15 Dec 1795. As no ages are given it will take reference to the parish register to try to separate them eg dau of ....., wife of...., widow of....
David
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trish1120
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My Amazing Mother 1912-1982
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Extracted Record;
Ann FAGE, christened 9 January 1745, Sandy,
parents, John and Elizabeth
Siblings;
Mary, 1752
Susan, 1738
Thomas, 1750
William, 1743
James, 1756
Elizabeth, 1755
( all dates of christenings on same batch as Ann. You can find/check yourself)
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trish1120
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My Amazing Mother 1912-1982
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Sorry, slowly working thru this 
Most records of marriage of John Goss are submitted , so to be treated with caution.
This is the only extracted one I can find and it is not in Sandy 
John GOSS
Eliz ANGEL
14 October 1772
Blunham, Bedford
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trish1120
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My Amazing Mother 1912-1982
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Extracted male births GOSS, parents John and Elizabeth, in Sandy, time frame for children of 1st marriage.
John, 21 July 1776
James, 29 October 1780
Dorcas, 3 February 1782
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All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukCummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND) |
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trish1120
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My Amazing Mother 1912-1982
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Could John GOSS, born 1776, son of John and Elizabeth have married a Ann and some of the children born 1789+ be his 
I will leave this in DAVIDS expert hands 
Trish ( off to make dinner )
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bedfordshire boy
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That's a cop out Trish!!!! Hope your meal was as good as my cassoulet! Took my visitor to a brasserie for it, washed down by loads of local wine. She's sleeping it off now, so I have a few minutes to look at Fags and Gosss. Except I think it needs more than a few minutes.
There are 5 Ann Fage baptisms in Sandy, one marriage (member submission so needs checking), and four burials, plus only one burial of an Ann Goss in the right timescale.
The following is pure speculation and everything should be checked with Sandy parish register
What it looks like to me is:
Ann FAGE
Bap 9 Jan 1745 Bur 15 May 1772
Bap 1 Feb 1767 Marr John Goss 1788 Bur 10 May 1848 age 81*
Bap 31 mar 1776 Bur 18 Mar 1777
Bap 30 Nov 1778 Bur 9 Dec 1778
Bap 13 Feb 1795 Bur 15 Dec 1795
John Goss/Elizabeth (Angel?) Blunham parish register needs to be checked to confirm if John was of Sandy or otp. There was also a John Goss baptised in Blunham in 1751. It seems more likely to me that it was this John who married Elizabeth Angel, and they then moved to Sandy. There are three baptisms in Sandy on the IGI of their children 1776-1782 as detailed by Trish
John Goss/Ann Fage marriage 1788 - again the parish register needs checking. Was John described as widower? An Elizabeth Goss was buried in Sandy on 1 Nov 1787. Was she described as wife of John?
The Blunham marriage could have been John 1751 from Blunham, and the 1788 marriage John 1749 from Sandy
There are John Goss burials in Sandy on 2 Jan 1784; 5 Jan 1803; 4 Jan 1821 age 44; and 26 Dec 1824 age 78
We can speculate until the cows come home. It needs reference to the parish registers of Sandy and Blunham to try to sort these out
David
* In 1841 she was living in Sandy age 75 (transcribed as Ann GOGO - was she a dancer?)
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davides
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Thanks David for all your efforts. I have stored the information you sent which might be useful one I obtain further information. Hopefully, I will get to UK sometime to check the parish registers and verify the facts.
Meanwhile, I am going to assume that John Goss (1749) married Elizabeth Angel in 1772 and married (a second time) Ann Fage (b 1767) and married in 1788. It ties in best, for the moment, with the information I have.
Perhaps she was a gogo dancer - it might be our only claim to fame!!!
Thanks for your efforts.
David
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bedfordshire boy
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Nice one John. Pretty well sews it all up.
The red ink by the way was a speculation warning, not an instruction to get down the library pdq. Surely you didn't need another haircut already!
I wonder what became of John Goss of Blunham. I can't see a marriage or a burial.
David
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