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Hi , I am trying to trace any informantion on a William Hines you came to the USA at the age of 12 yrs around 1852 ?
He fought for the north in the civil war, i have a photo of him and his daughter when he returned to England abt, 1923 . on the back it say's my oldest daughter Mrs Ema Caldwell, ( He was my Grandmothers uncle )
He is also wearing a medel in the photo but with it being a B / W photo i dont know the colour of the ribbon although the family story is it was light blue 
Thanks in advance Tweet
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JustJean
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Hi tweet
I'm thinking this is your William.....immigrating not once but twice in the 1920's.....
William Hines immig date 12 Jul 1920 b abt 1843 Male departure Southampton, England vessel Imperator
William Hines immig 5 Aug 1927 b abt 1843 Male departure Southampton, England vessel Berengaria
I didn't immediately see an Emma Caldwell on the same ship though...but because the immigration data mentioned when and where he was naturalized (Illlinois)....I opted for a look in the 1900 census for a William Hines b. England about 1843 and there is only one.....and he has a daughter Emma....
Name: William Hines
Residence: Central, Bond, Illinois
Age: 58
Birth year: abt 1842
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Occupation: Teamster
Immigration Year: 1854
William Hines head age 58
Sarah A Hines wife age 58
Emma Hines dau age 33
Alice E Hines dau age 25
George E Hines son age 23
Gertrude Hines dau age 18
The census details also indicate he was a veteran and his immigration papers confirm that his naturalization was linked to his military service.
I'm betting that this is the right chap.
Oh and his address in 1920 and 1927 indicate he was returning to Colorado but it looks like he might have missed the US 1920 census and maybe he was dead by 1930??? Just guessing...........
Best wishes
Jean
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Hi Jean,
Thanks for the great work in finding the info, for me so quick.
I think he stayed in England when he returned in abt, 1923 ish he was born in Bushey in Hertsfordshire , so i will look for his death in that county for a starters,, according to my cousin he was known as the yankee uncle within the family and had an orange grove ? to be confirmed of course ;
i am trying to find out what type of medal he has as well ,, a 5 pointed star, ? so i am looking on the civil war sites, and guess what !! 100s of William Hines ,, keep searching as they say in this game,,
once again thanks for you time and effort
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acw2
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Just found this. I can help, as I am on a project to locate Veterans on the American Civil War, and Hines was one; he served in the Union army, in Company D, 3rd Illinois Cavalry, and died in April, 1933; his obituary, in the New York Times for April 14, 1933, says that "his bridle bits still hang in his late home". It also says that he was buried in Bushey - have you located his grave? It may be possible to obtain a special Civil War service marker from the Sons of Union Veterans in the US if he was a member of the Veterans' organisations. He was the second last surviving member of the London Branch of American Civil War Veterans, about which I am keenly seeking information.
I would love a copy of the photograph of him which you have. The five-branched star badge which he is wearing is almost certainly the badge of the London Veterans, which was based closely on the main Union Veterans' badge in the USA; if I could see a photo, I could probably let you know.
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acw2
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Thanks for your personal message reply. I am new to all this and can't see how to reply to you from that section: there's no "reply" button - it's all rather confusing. I therefore went back into the main chat section, and see that in that section, if you press "reply", there is a facility below the message box which says "Attach a photograph or image". You could give it a try.
I should have been a little clearer in my last, by saying that I am searching for American Civil War veterans' Graves in England. Hines seems to be buried in Bushey, Herts., which, I see from your "profile", is much nearer me than you, so I will make enquiries there.
Now you know his regiment, you can write to the National Achives in Washington DC and ask for photocopies of his service and pension records, which will give you a lot of information about him - they were very good at that sort of thing. I could give you some basic data about the 3rd Illinois Cavalry but a quick Google will probably give you more than you need. They had four years' long and active service in the Western theatre of war. Do you have any other information about his service or his membership of the London Veterans?
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well i put them on rootschat but i cant find them\ everytime i try again it tells me they are already on ?
at a loss on what to do now re getting the pic's to you
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acw2
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I've trawled the Rootschat site, but it's pretty unhelpful. However, I found the following
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,130922.0.html
which is mainly incomprehensible but about three quarters of the way down there is a posting giving four stages of doing an attachment, linked by rough hand-drawn arrows, which might just be the answer. Have a look and see if you can make anything of it.
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well i put them on rootschat but i cant find them\ everytime i try again it tells me they are already on ? at a loss on what to do now re getting the pic's to you
You could look back through your own posts [there are just 56] to find the one where you attached the photos. Or, you could post the photos again using different names for the attached files.
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pictures as required for war grave reserch
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tweet- your photos were posted on Common Room board so I've merged them with this thread for you.
If you are trying to find any of your posts you can go to 'your profile' near top of page and then click on link for 'show the last posts of this Rootschatter.'
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acw2
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Thanks. I tried clicking on the two attachments under the message "pictures as required..." but got the message "It seems that you are not allowed to download or view attachments on this board." I am new to this game - where do I find the common room?
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Have discovered the problem here- you can't attach images on Lookup Request board. Therefore, I have moved this thread to US board (instead of US lookup requests) and everyone should hopefully be able to view the pictures now.
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acw2
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Excellent - well done; what it is to have a Rootschat veteran keeping an eye on we novices!
The photographs came across beautifully, and I think I can confidently say that the medal he is wearing is not a gallantry award as such - there were none in the American Civil War except for the Congressional Medal of Honor, and many of those were awarded long after the war - but the membership medal of the Grand Army of the Republic. This was the main organisation for Union veterans, founded in 1866 and its last member died in 1949. In the later 19th and early 20th centuries it had a very substantial membership and was a major political force too. It was divided up into "Posts", usually based in towns and named for some General particularly connected with the regiments which came from there, or some officer or even private killed in the war. The members met regularly, certainly annually, and there are thousands of different surviving reunion medals and ribbons for all the posts; there were thousands of branches and hundreds of thousands of members. Unfortunately, even though we know his residence (which I have found was Greenville, Illinois, at the start of the war) and regiment, it is impossible to ascertain which Post he may have been a member of, and the survival of Post records was a matter of chance, since they were the responsibility of the individual post officers, not the G.A.R. - so many were lost.
Hines, as we have seen, was certainly a member of the London Branch of American Civil War Veterans when he returned in the 1920s, but it was not a branch of the G.A.R. but a separate independent body, and I have so far tried in vain to find whether their records survive. Their medal, though a close copy of the GAR one, was a one-piece brass medal, whereas the one Hines is wearing is clearly the GAR 3-piece medal - a brass eagle pin-bar (sometimes with insignia of rank in the GAR - not the army - Posts had Commanders, officers, etc. - incorporated), a ribbon, often in the form of a U.S. flag, though it's not clar in Hines' case, and the 5-pointed star with the GAR motif of Columbia with a soldier and sailor.
I also suspect that the circular stud in his left lapel may be the GAR lapel badge.
A little more information about him: he enlisted on August 12, 1861, mustered on the 20t into Co. D, 3rd Illinois Cavalry, and mustered out on September 5, 1864, which was long before the regiment itself mustered out, in October 1865 (6 months after the end of the war, as they had been sent west to fight Indians after the war). However, there is nothing unusual in that; he had presumably enlisted for three years, as many of them did, and simply felt he had done enough at the end of his term; his discharge would have been honourable. Three years of the hard service those men saw was more than enough and entirely creditable.
Now, if someone can tell me how to make an attachment on RootsChat, I can send you the New York Times cutting of his death!
Finally, if I do find that he is buried in Bushey - I have made enquiries of Bushey Museum, which appears to exist: they have a website - I am sure the Museum would be interested in his story and photograph. Would you have any objection to my giving them a copy? I fear I can only credit "Tweet" with it!
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Glad you are happy with the resaults re-photo's of William Hines. the only info i have of him within our family he has always been known as Yankee Uncle and he had an orange grove in America as well as being in the civil war, i will try to get some more info for you from some Hine's side of the family for you.
My G/Mother Matilda Tullett (nee Hines ) William was her uncle ie, her fathers brother !
Matilda married my G/Father in Bushey Church in 1901 in a joint wedding with her sister
My auntie susan cut the paper clipping out of the daily mirror and wrote on it in red ink,( she is the daughter of Matilda my Dads younger sister, ) my dad always called him yankee uncle when he talked about him on his visits to the family in Bushey, I know he is buried in Bushey as my father mentioned it often to the family that he stayed at our house in sussex a few times after his return to England before his death.
Yes you have my permission to go ahead with contacting the museum in Bushey with my info, & photo's as i am sure his family would be proud as well to know that the history of his life is of interest to other people even today. The family info i have of him as follows--- on the back of the photo it say's My oldest Daugther Mrs, Ema Caldwell
He was born in Bushey in 1841/2 if he was christened the parish church would have been St James the Less'' Bushey.
He lived in Springfield Illinois, and he is buried in Bushey churchyard i have his death 21 April aged 78 ??
Also i am led to believe he laid a Memorial Wreath to the dead of the civil war in Westminster Abbbey ,, Oh and the ribbon was light blue.
Hope this is of some help to you and thanks again and keep me informed on further findings.
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