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'Trish'
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I have been trying to piece together the life of James Watts married 27 April 1829 to Elizabeth Maria Weeks. I have that James Watts was born 1804- 06 according to 1841 Census where he says not born in County of Berkshire. Could it be possible that he was born elsewhere?
1841 Census Market Place Wokingham
James Watts age 37 Glazier born outside county - Yes
Maria Watts age 37
Rebecca age 8
Agnes age 5
1848 Kellys Directory
James Watts painter plumber Glazier Market Place
1851 Census
James Watts Head age 47 Plumber/Painter employing 2 men born Romsey Hants
Christiana age 50
Slaters Berkshire Directory 1852-53
Market Place James Watts Plumber/Painter/Glazier
1871 Census Balking Village
James Watts head m age 65 ag lab born Berks - Keyston Lisle
Maria Watts wife F age 55 born Berks - Littleworth
I found a birth of a James Watts in Romsey 23. 2. 1804 and I believed it to be him, also finding siblings with him. But dont know if this is the correct one as he has said he was born Kingston Lisle and there seems to be several Watts family there.
Why I have doubt is that in a diary James Watts grandaughter Julia Edith Watts writes that there is another connection to Isaac Watts the hymnwriter, through the Watts-Tye family. This being Ann Watts who married Walter Tye and having four children in the Hadleigh area fo Suffolk. I have traced Ann back to her parents,Hepzibah Cook who married a Lewis Watts at St John, Frome 23 May 1814.
Have I been tracing the wrong family all this time? Could Ann Watts (b c1830) be a relation of James Watts born 1804-06.
How do I go about proving or disproving the connection between these two families. Obviously Julia Edith Watts thought there was a connection as mentioned in her diary. But as yet I cannot see any connection. Could she have been wrong?
1861 Census High Street Hadleigh
transcribed as fye
RG9/1135/89/23
walter tye age 29(mistranscribed as 39). B. Mendlesham. Occ. Grocer. Head.
Annie age 30. B. Frome. Occ. Milliner. Wife.
Edward.w. Age 2. B. Suffolk. Son.
Living at high street,hadleigh.
Can anyone help me?
Regards Trish
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Fear, Puddy, Bunn, Hemsbury - Wedmore Somerset. Watts - Romsey Hants, Frome Somerset, Warminster Wilts & Wokingham Berkshire. Roberts - Newport, Stone Glos, Austin - Blaina Monmouth.
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'Trish'
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I have the inscriptions of the gravestones from the baptist church in Wokingham. Christiana was married twice, first to Rev Richard Clanvill married 21 Mar 1827 Abergavenny. Then Christiana married James Watts (snr). Yes Christiana died 19 Feb 1876 and is buried at the Baptist church. James Watts first wife is also buried there Maria Elizabeth Weeks died 1846 with infant son James Henry.
What I am questioning is James & Maria Watts son James Watts also, married Julia Heffer Mar q 1869 Wokingham. But the diary mentions quote ' Lizzie Tye at High View Cottage Monewden Woodbridge, Brother at Ipswich Edward Watts Tye. Her mother (Ann Tye nee Watts) & grandma Quick (meaning Rebecca Maria dau of James Watts (snr)) were cousins - descended from two branches of Isaac Watts brothers'.
I have two Isaac Watts in the family tree one born 14 Mar 1797 Romsey & Isaach/Isaac born 1765. The first Isaac is brother to James Watts (snr), the other is father to James Watts (snr).
Its getting confusing!
What I am trying to say is I have James Watt born 23 Feb 1804 Romsey, and James Watts bap 11 Mar 1804 Rook lane Church Frome. Ann Watts nee Tye who I mentioned earlier was also bap 22 June 1828 Rook lane Church Frome Somerset.
Have I been chasing the wrong one all along and where I have been presuming that James Watts snr was born in Romsey when in fact he was born in Frome Somerset. Which would make sense of the entry in the family diary. Could James Watt jnr have married firstly Julia Watts nee Heffer, then married a 'cousin' Ann Tye nee Watts or her daughter Lizzie Watts Tye? Julia died 1916.
Can you see where I am coming from?
Hope you can
regards Trish
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Fear, Puddy, Bunn, Hemsbury - Wedmore Somerset. Watts - Romsey Hants, Frome Somerset, Warminster Wilts & Wokingham Berkshire. Roberts - Newport, Stone Glos, Austin - Blaina Monmouth.
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'Trish'
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Posts: 218
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Yes somewhat, maybe the family legend in the diary is wrong maybe she presumed that Ann Tye nee Watts was a 'cousin' or Ann's daughter Lizzie Watts Tye born 1864 was related. Looking at the diary entry again she actually calls her Aunt Rebbecca, grandmother Quick.
Its actually worded as though James Watts brothers Isaac or John was father to Ann Tye nee Watts. But I have found her baptism and her father is Lewis Watts & her mother Hepzibah Watts nee Cook married Frome - 23 May 1814 Frome.
regards Trish
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'Trish'
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No, there are three James Watts, James Watts snr born 1804, either Romsey or From Somerset. Children of the Above James Watts, James Watts jnr married Julia Heffer Mar q 1869 Wokingham father James Watts snr & Elizabeth Maria Weeks married 27 April 1829.. There was another James Henry Watts born 1842? but died 1846? bur in Baptist Church Wokingham. James Watts jnr died 25 Dec 1923, thats for sure, I have this.
Here I am a little blurred as James Watts who married Julia Heffer I have his birth at Jun q 1846, but cannot confirm this. But on the tombstone it reads Elizabeth Maria Watts with infant son James Henry died 1846.
OMG, hope you can understand this!
regards Trish
I seem to be digging a hole here!
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'Trish'
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If it helps I have the 1881 Census
James Watts Head M Male 35 Wokingham Auctioneer etc
Julia wife F age 34 born Wokingham
Julia Edith F age 6 born Wokingham Scholar
Florence J H Davies Adopted dau age 10 Ashburton Devon Scholar
Julia Edith (aka Edith) was the diary writer, she mentions Florence J H Davies as her adopted sister and they actually lived together and ran a laundry in Wokingham. Florence was her cousin, (mother Agnes Sophia Watts father: Thomas Roberts Davies of Newmarket Canada west, Agnes was the sister of Rebecca Maria Quick nee Watts - my great x2 grandmother).
James Watts (above in census) was in business with his wife's two brothers Henry Weeks & James Weeks, they ran Auctioneers, Estate agents in Wokingham. Which was taken over by Martin & Pole. I have been in touch with them & they have provided lots of info about the Weeks family.
Julia Edith mentions in the diary about Lizzie Watts Tye & Edward Watts Tye, saying that this was another branch back to what they believed was the hymnwriter Isaac Watts. I know that Lizzie & Edwards parents were Walter & Ann Tye nee Watts. I found Ann Tye nee Watts bap 22 Jun 1828 Frome her parents being Thomas Watts & Ann surname unknown.
Since then I have found the marriage of Edward Watts Tye to Emma Amelia Watts Mar q 1885 Bath. Emma Amelia Watts was born 2nd May 1869 Frome.
Althought this doesnt prove a link between my Watts family & the Watts Tye family, there maybe a link between Ann Tye nee Watts and Emma Amelia Watts.
Sorry trying to sort this out in my head, and I thought my calmly writing this down I might get it straight, regards Trish
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Fear, Puddy, Bunn, Hemsbury - Wedmore Somerset. Watts - Romsey Hants, Frome Somerset, Warminster Wilts & Wokingham Berkshire. Roberts - Newport, Stone Glos, Austin - Blaina Monmouth.
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but the info is useful for my mulling.