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edward johnson
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William Johnson moved to Oxfordshire, over the border from Kings Sutton, Northamptonshire, where he was born around 1838.
He first appears in 1861 census in Oxford and has undergone a transformation as he calls himself a Musician, his father was an agricultural labourer.
Later that year he marries. On the marriage certificate to Ellen Waring, (a mystery herself), he says he's a tailor. I always understood he was a tailor and in 1861 he's lodging with a family of tailors.
In 1871 on the census the occupation is very difficult to read and suggests she was staff militia. This suggests to me he was working at Cowley Barracks. Soon after this he dies. His wife Ellen stays in Oxford.
Anyone who can shed any light on William or Ellen Waring who can't sign her name on the wedding certificate, just uses an X and lists no father, it would be fabulous.
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AMBLY
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Hi Edward
What was his father's name on the marriage certificate and who were the witness'?
What were their address' on the marriage?
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AMBLY
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Just found your other topic
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373850.msg2477469.html#msg2477469
So you already have William in 1841, and 1851 in Village of Astrop, Parish of Kings Charlton, Kings Sutton ( the latter stating him to be an Ag Lab like his father and born in Charlton) with his parents Richard & Sarah and siblings. You have him in 1861 (in the same registration district of Headington in which he married Ellen later that year) and in 1871. And know when and where he died.
What specifically are you trying to find out now, about William?
Do you have doubts the 1861 is him? Were any of the MILLIN family witness to the marriage? His occupation in 1871 says "Sergt Militia Staff" - what did his death certificate say was his occupation? It's possible his work as a Tailor was also what he did in or for the Militia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staff_Sergeant
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AMBLY
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Hi again
As to Ellen WARING
The lack of a father on the marriage cert, suggests illigitimate birth
WARING could be - her mother's maiden name, or it could be the surname of a man her mother married.
Her age in the Census 1871, 1881 and 1891, suggest a year of birth abt 1837 in Oxfordshire - 2 of those say specifically, Headington.
What was her age recorded as on the marriage? Was she recorded as a spinster? And again, the marriage witness' names may help or her address at the time? Do birth certificates of her children, also state her m.s. to be WARING?
There are no FreeBMD entries at all for WARING in Headington district Sep Qtr 1837 to Dec Qtr 1841 - but a small number (34) of BDM's do appear after this time up until 1929 - beginning with an Ann WARING death in 1842. I think many of those entries all stem from or are connected to, the following family:
James WARING and his wife Rebecca,both b abt 1795 - married 1816 Ascot-Under Wychwood, OX (IGI extracted)
ISSUE (IGI extracted)
Ann chr 1816 Ascot-Under Wychwood, OX, (may be the one who died as Ann WARING in 1842) don't think so, see Reply#4
Mary Susanna chr 1819 Piddington, OX (probably the one who married 1846 Headington)
Alfred chr 1822 Ascot-Under Wychwood OX,
John chr 1825 Headington
Jane chr 1826 Headington
John chr 1829 Headington
Frances Rebecca chr 1833 Headington
Mark chr 1836 Headington
Found an A** tree which says Rebecca's m.s. is CHAUNDY and that she has a daughter Elizabeth Wentworth CHAUNDY born 1815, before marriage. The tree isn't complete and doesn't have a lot on the children it lists apart from birth time.
In Census 1841, James WARING 45, a Schoolmaster & Rebecca 40 are in with John 12, Fanny 7 and Mark 5.
High St, Headington, Oxfordshire
HO107 / Piece 877/ Book: 1 / Folio: 30 / Pg 16
Initial thoughts are that your Ellen would be the daughter of either Elizabeth Wentworth CHAUNDY, Ann WARING or Mary Susanna WARING.
But I think, it's Ann...
IGI (Extracted entry): Batch number C038503 (Headington 1757-1848)
Ellen WARING christened 7 Jun 1835, Headington to mother: Anne WARING. No father listed.
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AMBLY
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AMBLY
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I think:
Ellen WARING was the illigitimate born daughter chr 1835 of Ann WARING ( b 1816, dau of James WARING & Rebecca CHAUNDY).
Ann isn't the death recorded in 1842 Headington.
Rather, she married Robert ROLPH and your Ellen is in Census pre marriage as "ROLPH".
IGI Marriage (extracted - batch
Robert ROLPH and Ann WARING married 17 Feb 1835, Headington
The marriage is before the christening of Ellen WARING in Jun 1835. To me this indicates Ellen was actually born before February, or she was born after the marriage but either way, because she was not given the name of ROLPH at her christening she was not the natural child of her mother's husband?
1841: Church Street - Headington, Oxfordshire
HO107 / Piece 877 / Book: 1 / Folio: 26 / Page: 10
Robert ROLPH 25, Ag Lab - Y
Ann ROLPH 20 - Y
Eleanor ROLPH 6 - Y
John ROLPH 4 - Y
Harriet ROLPH 2 - Y
Isabella ROLPH 3 months - Y
1851: Church Street - Headington, Oxfordshire
HO107 / Piece: 1727 / Folio: 225 / Page: 25
Head: Robert ROLPH 32, Brick Labourer, b Headington
Wife: Ann ROLPH 33, Laundress, b Astcot (sic)
Daughter: Ellen ROLPH 16, Laundress, b Headington
Dau: Harriet ROLPH 12, Scholar, b Headington
Dau: Rebecca ROLPH 9, Scholar, b Headington
Dau: Sarah ROLPH 6, Scholar, b Headington
Son: Edwin ROLPH 4, Scholar, b Headington
Son: Frederic ROLPH 11 months, b Headington
1861:Church Street - Headington, Oxfordshire
RG9 / Piece: 890 / Folio: 70 / Page: 15
Head: Ann ROLPH 47, Widow, laundress, b Ascott
Dau; Ellen ROLPH 26, unm, laundress, b Headington
Dau: Harriet MAWER 22, Widow, laundress, b Headington (newly widowed after a very brief marriage - see below)
Dau: Sarah ROLPH 17, unm, laundress, b Headington
Son: Edwin ROLPH 15, Butchers Boy, b Headington
Son: Frederick ROLPH 10, Farmers Boy, b Headington
Dau: Emily ROLPH 8, Scholar, b Headington
Dau: Susannah ROLPH 6, Scholar, b Headington
Son: Alfred ROLPH 5, Scholar, b Headington
Cousin: Sarah ROLPH 23, married, Laundress, , b Headington
Grand-Dau: Emma E ROLPH 3, b Beford, Oxfordshire
MARRIAGE: Harriet ROLPH and Henry Llewellyn MAWER Sep Qtr 1860 Headington
DEATH: Robert ROLPH - Dec Qtr 1858, Headington
DEATH Henry Llewellyn MAWER - Mar Qtr 1861 Headington
A useful link for the WEARING/WARING side of things
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/OXFORDSHIRE/2003-11/1068240794
Cheers
AMBLY
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For completeness - Ann's last 2 census:
1871: Church Street, Headington, Oxfordshire
RG10 / Piece: 1434 / Folio: 73 / Page: 12
Head: Ann ROLPH 54, widow, Laundress, b Ascott, Oxon
Son: Edwin ROLPH 24, Bricklayer, unm,
Son: Frederick ROLPH 20, Domestic Servt, unm,
Dau: Emily ROLPH. 19, Laundress' Dau, unm,
Dau: Susannah ROLPH 17, Laundress' Dau, unm,
Son: Alfred ROLPH 15, Domestic Servt,
Grand-Dau: Henrietta MAWER 9,
ALL born Headington except Ann
1881: High Street - Headington, Oxfordshire
Head: Ann ROLFE 56, widow, Laundress, b Ascott
Son: Edward ROLFE 33, unm, Bricklayer, b Headington
Dau: Susan ROLFE 26, unm, Laundress, b Headington
Dau: Henrietta ROLFE 2, b Headington
(Age in 1881 is as enumerated at 56 but probably should be 65 and has been transposed by the enumerator in error)
(Henrietta must be a grand-daughter, - perhaps it is meant to mean daughter of Susan)
Cheers
AMBLY
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For completeness - Ann's parents James & Rebecca
DEATH; Dec Qtr 1847 Headington - Rebecca WARING
1851: High Street - Headington, Oxfordshire
HO107 / Piece: 1727 / Folio: 218 / Page: 11
Head: James WARING 64, widower, Schoolmaster, b Ascott, Oxon
Dau: Jane WARING 24, unm, Dressmaker, b Headington
Son: John WARING 22, unm, Carpenter, b Headington
Dau: Frances WARING 17,, Dressmaker, b Headington
Son: Mark WARING 15, Apprentice, b Headington
1861: Parish of Adderbury East, Oxfordshire
RG9 / Piece: 914 / Folio: 58 / Page: 4
Head: Alfred WARING 39, Baker master employing 1 man, b Warwick, Warwickshire
Wife: Matilda WARING 49, School Mistress, b Nuncham, Oxfordshire
Dau: Matilda Ann WARING 14, Scholar, b Adderbury
Dau: Mary Rebeca WARING 12, Scholar, b Adderbury
Father: James WARING 74, wid, Visitor, b Headington
Sister: Frances R JOHNSON 27, married, Dressmaker, b Headington
This 1861 must be the Alfred WARING whose christening is down as Ascot-Under Wychwood, Oxfordshire - but he is saying here in 1861 (and 1851 does also) that he was born in Warwickshire?.
MARRIAGE: Frances Rebecca WARING and Thomas JOHNSON, Jun Qtr 1856, Headington
I think Frances may have died: Mar Qtr 1869, Reading - Frances Rebecca JOHNSON age 35.
She being the sister of Ann, and the aunt of Ellen WARING - would be interesting to learn if there is a connection or only a coincidence between the JOHNSON men who married Frances and Ellen. Especially seeing the marriages are only 4 years apart.
1871: High Street, Headington, Oxfordshire
Head: James WARING 84, widower, Postmaster & Widower, b Ascott Oxon
Grandau: Ada FATHERS 24 , unm, Laundress, b Souldern, Oxon
James daughter Mary Susanna WARING, another aunt of Ellen, married William FATHERS in 1846.
DEATH: 1874, Headington - James WARING age 88
James WARING gets a mention here:
http://www.headington.org.uk/history/shops/postoffice.htm
and here:
http://www.headington.org.uk/history/schools/freeschool.htm
"The Master of the Free School from 1828 until he died in 1874 at the age of 88 was James Waring, a man of humble origins: he had been a milkman in 1825 and a labourer in 1826. (As well as being schoolmaster, from the1840s until his death he was also Headington’s postmaster.) The school closed immediately when he died, and an impressive gravestone was placed in St Andrew’s churchyard by "some of the inhabitants of Headington" as a sign of their esteem and gratitude to him."
His son John WARING probably gets a mention here:
http://www.headington.org.uk/history/pubs/royal_standard.htm
Cheers
AMBLY
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edward johnson
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Wow where to start. I'm seriously impressed.
It's curious you mention Francis Rebeccaa Waring as I found her when I was looking for Thomas Johnson, William's brother. I found her married, and living with the Warings, I seem to remember.
I was struck by the name, as William's son, Walter married a Francis Rebecca too.
Now I understand the entry.
What I find curious is how Ellen came from a family who obviously had education, yet she couldn't write her name.
Especially as the Johnson male line after this appears to have been particularly gifted.
It's trying to get inside these people to see where that came from. But you definitely have the correct Ellen as she was a laundress when married to William.
William is a strange one fromagricultural labourer to musician to Sgt in the militia. Yet he describes himself as a tailor too!
Sarah Rolph and John Dover or Glover are the witnesses at William and Ellen's wedding.
Many thanks again I need to go and digest all this. Sorry no Millins though.
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edward johnson
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Hold on the Thomas Johnson and Francis Rebecca marriage being the brother.
I need to do more checking.
It was Ellen I was looking for when I found her entry.
I'm not convinced it's a Kings Sutton Thomas.
Thanks again.
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edward johnson
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Have had a break from Ancestry for a while and have been doing other peoples.
The Millins I found are the family William was living with in 1861.
They were tailors which is why I think William certainly learned tailoring.
I'm off further back now.
Still nothing to show Thomas Johnson is the one who Married Francis Rebecca.
He's rather elusive after he left home.
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jamajo
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Dont know if this helps or not  ... All the Waring names in Ascott
From Ascott under Wychwood PRs
Baps
29 Dec 1816 Ann Waring/Wearing dau of James and Rebecca, lab
16 Sep 1822 Alfred Waring son of James and Rebecca, farmer, added info St Nicholas, Warwick
b. 8 Feb
Marriage
19 Nov 1816 James Waring to Rebecca Chaundy, by lic
Wits....John Tymms and Elizabeth Hyatt
John Tymms is witness to most marriages so may be to do with the church
Burials
11 April 1797 William Waring
There is also the following one spelt without the g
14 Oct 1846 Ann Warin age 7 weeks, Milton
Sue
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