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Topic: Information on Birth at Queen Charlotte Hospital, Marylebone (Read 1965 times)
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macca3
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I am trying to trace the baptism details of my great grandfather,Albert Armstrong. I have a copy birth certificate (which could possibly be him), born on 25th September 1891 at Queen Charlotte's Hospital in Marylebone. His mother's details are given as Jane Armstrong of Flay Crow Yard in Tenter Lane, Leeds, West Yorks. I would be grateful for any help in tracing any additional information of where they may have been living in London.
Even though my great grandfather died in 1968 I still don't know a great deal about him. The only hard documentation is from his WW1 army records which give his next of kin as Sarah Dolton of 77 Draycott Avenue, Chelsea. He was severely wounded in 1917 and like many traumatized soldiers he never talked about his experiences or family background. I believe he may have spent some time in Canada as a young man.
Any help or information would be very gratefully received.
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jorose
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You would have to look at the London Metropolitan Archives, I believe they have records for Queen Charlotte's Hospital, including a register of baptisms from the hospital.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=713&page=46
- they also appear to have admission/discharge records.
On Ancestry there appear to be a family of Armstrongs from Yorkshire in Battersea in 1891, but I can't get the full info.
Tom, b. 1827 and his children inc. Jane, b. 1872
(I think they can also be seen in Leeds in 1881).
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macca3
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Thanks for the very fast response jorose. Greatly appreciated!
Macca.
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lizdb
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Heres the full 1891
Rg12 425 91 21
47 Nine Elms LAne,Battersea
Tom Armstrong 66 MArried Groom bnYorks Richmond
Frederick 28 son Plumber bn Leeds
William 27 Engineer Royal Navy bn L
Mary Ellen 26 bn L
Alice 22 bn L
Louise 21 bn L
Jane 19 bn L
Tom 18 Plumber bn L
Maud 13 bn L
Joseph grandson 9 bn Lambeth
Frederick 8 grandson bn Lambeth
James Stanfield visitor bn Leeds
Alice Stanfields visitor bn Leeds
Tom Stanfield visitor bn Leeds
what a lot of questons this raises?
- First, Tom is described as Married but no wife around.
- Son William, Royal Navy - over the top of Royal Navy is written "Navy Off", so I dont know if he was an Officer.
- I have done my best with all the children ages, but there are big marks across all of them so none are clear! Jane is about the best of theolder ones, def 19!
- Interesting the two grandchildren. So someone, one of his children either one listed or another, has already had two children "down south"
- The Stanfield visitors, again ages are impossible to read, but they look very much like single figures and therefore children, I wonder if they are more grandchildren but decribed as visitors as not actually living there as opposed the grandchildren for ones who were?
I'll look at 1881 (tho it is free to search so you have probably already done it) out of interest.
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lizdb
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1881
Rg11 4517 26 6
42 Trafalgar Street Leeds
Thomas 56 Groom bn Tunstall
Elizabeth 44 wife
Anne 20
Frederick 18 Plumber
William 17 shop boy
Alice 13
Louisa 10
Jane 9
Thomas 8
Elizabeth 6
Maude 3 wife and all child. bn Leeds
Frederick Jones Mar visitor 43 Engineer bn Ireland
Peter Lawson Mar lodger 47 vocalist bn London
Edward Burgess Mar lodger 41 chorister bn London
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lizdb
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Back to 1891 to find where Toms wife was, now we know who she was
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wow - we've clinched it!
1891
RG12 3708 172 14
2 Flay Crow Yard Leeds
John Stanfield 29 Corn miller bn Lancashire Enfield?
Annie Mary wife 30 bnLeeds
William 2 bn L
Mary Armstrong 56 motherinlaw bn Leeds
Just look at the address - that is what appears on your great grandfathers birth cert, and must have been considered as "home" to Jane.
So, looks like this shows that it is the Jane of this family who was his mother.
Dont ask me why the whole family apart from Mum went down to London at that time .....
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jorose
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Nice work, Liz!
1871, RG10/4552 102/19
12 Copenhagen Street, Leeds
Thomas, 40, Groom b. Catterick
(rest b. Leeds)
Elizabeth, 36,
Joseph, 13
Annie, 10
Frederick, 8
William, 7
Alice, 3
Louise, 1
Jane, 4 months.
1861, RG9/3370 92/4
3 Crofts Buildings, Leeds
Thos Armstrong, 34, groom, b. "Tuanstull"
Mary Eliz, 26, b. Leeds
Joseph, 3
Mary Anne, age ( , something funny written there, probably she was less than 1 year old)
I can't seem to find an Armstrong/Stanfield marriage. I think it may be in 1882 as Annie Mary Armstrong/John STANSFIELD.
I think that son Joseph in 1871 may be mistranscribed in 1881 as aged 34 - living in Lambeth with a wife Mary E, also from Leeds. No kids with them at the census, but they could be the parents of Joseph and Frederick.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline
- shows William Armstrong, b. Leeds 9 Jan 1864, Navy records.
Back to Albert Armstrong b. 1891:
In 1911 there does appear to be a Dolton family at 77 Draycott Avenue, Chelsea, headed by Albert Dolton.
Albert Dolton m. Cornelia Hanwell in 1891 in Kensington. She is indexed as "Cornelir" in 1911.
They are in Paddington in 1901 with their children.
There does not seem to be a Sarah in this family but she could be connected somehow.
in 1911 there also appears to be a Jane Armstrong b. abt 1872 Leeds listed as "sister" in Wandsworth.
I think in 1901 he might be possibly enumerated as "Bertie Armstrong", b. London, living in Tamworth, Staffordshire.
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macca3
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 Wow! Thanks very much Jo & Liz.
This is a great help. Albert is an enigma to all my family- we don't know anything about his life prior to him marrying my great grandmother in 1918. His army enlistment papers give his age in May 1915 as 23 years and 9 months and his age on his marriage certificate gives his age as 25 (i.e. 1891). His death certificate however gives his age as 79 in 1968 and we don't even have a definite birthday for him. As you can see I can't be entirely certain that I have the correct Albert Armstrong, although this one appears to be the most likely candidate.
His marriage certificate gives his father's details as John Armstrong, Deceased, Ship Plater. Other than this information, he gave an interview to the local paper on his golden wedding in 1968 and mentioned he was 78, was born in Chelsea and went to Canada as a young man to work on a farm- and returned on the outbreak of war. It is possible that Albert may have been confused as he received a bullet wound to the head at Passchendaele in 1917.
I still can't figure out where "Sarah" Dolton fits in as the wife in the family at 77 Draycott Avenue, as you mentioned, is called Cornelia. His army enlistment definitely gives his next of kin as Sarah.
Thanks again for your help.
Macca
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jorose
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He could have been a Home Child who returned to England at some point, especially if someone can get us the full 1901 census details for that Bertie Armstrong in Tamworth as I think he may have been in a children's home.
I can't see an obvious Albert or Bert Armstrong in the 1911 Canadian census, although there are a few around.
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lizdb
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Heres that 1901
RG13 2649 116 18
8 Clarson Row, something Lane, tamworth
George Grove 50 Bn Worcestershire Picton
Catherine wife 50 bn Worcestershire Broadway
Bertie Armstrong visitor 10 bn London
thomas Rawlings 26 boarder Bricklayer bn Warwickshire
Thomas Smith 24 boarder bn Bricklayer bn Leicestershire
no clues there!
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