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Truebrit
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Hello
I am trying to assist a friend on starting their family history, with Irish connections.
I have yet to research any irish families and therefore would be grateful if someone could help to get us going.
The family in question is the Greene family, which we believe were living in Cappoquin durin the late 19th century. Roderick (Rhoderick) Greene and Katherine (Kate) Greene (maiden name Lonergan), probably born between 1860 and 1870 in the Waterford area, had several children including Roger (Rodger) William Greene (born in 1891) and Dennis Greene and Norah Greene (both probably born between 1891 and 1900).
Are there any Census details for Ireland or this period and how should we go about trying to research this family. If anybody can please find any further information we would be most grateful.
Thanks in advance.
TB
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shanew147
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the earliest surviving complete census returns are for 1901 and 1911. These are available to view on microfilm and the National Archives (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/) They are digitizing these and are currently working though the 1911 returns and have completed 4 counties - Waterford is down the list a bit. After the 1911 data is completed they aim to start work on the 1901 details.
Full Irish Civil registration began in 1864 so the place to start is on the Civil Index - see the familysearch site : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347
Once you find possible details on here you can order a cert from the GRO using the index details (name, year/quarter, registration district, volume and page number) : www.groireland.ie
there's a topic on the Irish Resources section with more info the searches etc..
Shane.
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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Truebrit
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Thanks for your confirmation shane and sorry to have troubled you.
I have tried the Irish Civil Registration site and cannot get it to work - no search results or anything. Is it working? The one registration i know with any detail is Roger William Greene born 1891 in Waterford (Cappoquin i think). I then need to establish a marriage for his parents, Rhoderick Greene and Katherine Lonergan. Hopefully we will then be on our way!
TB
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vasaborg
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I had a look at Egans directory for 1894 and Slaters directory for 1881, and could not find a Rhoderick Greene at Cappoquin.
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aghadowey
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Others have also had problems using/viewing Pilot site data- there's a thread in the Technical help section on it.
Had a quick look for you but wonder if the information you're starting with is correct. Couldn't find Roger, Dennis or Norah born in Waterford (using Green and Greene as surname).
Also couldn't see the parents' marriage.
All I did find was the following birth which might be your Roger?:
Rhoderick Greene- Birth- Oct/Dec 1891 Lismore registration district volume 4 page 570
As I said, it was just a quick look and there might be more there.
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Truebrit
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Thanks for looking - beside the names and dates that i have been given i otherwise have no idea how to start so we are very grateful!
I will get my friend to re-check the information that they have, just in case they have missed something.
However, we are hoping that a pattern will form in respect of the names mentioned in the hope that we get a breakthough.
Many thanks
TB
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shanew147
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I think there may be a problem with the Lismore registration district on the familysearch site..
The Waterford district of Lismore does not appear in the list of valid places in the way that other districts do. The Irish version 'Lios Mor' (which shows no Greene results between 1864 & 1900) appears along with a different Lismore district in Co. Tipperary..
If you are sure about Cappoquin then I'd start with the record aghadowey mentions - as that is the correct registration district. Also I dont imagine that Rhoderick (with a H) Greene is that common a name, so that would possibly start you down the correct track.
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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Truebrit
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Thanks all.
I have spoken to my friend and that registration sounds plausible. Unfortunately a family member destroyed a lot of their family records and so they are having to start from scratch with the few notes that they have.
The parents marriage would be particularly useful if that could be found!
TB
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aghadowey
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Didn't know about problem with Lismore as a registration district but Rhoderick (with or without the h) is probably not a common name in Ireland and I think that Roger can be used as a form of Rhoderick so that makes me think it could be Roger's birth registration. Will have another look for the parents, etc. later when I have more time and post here if I find anything.
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aghadowey
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Not much luck, I'm afraid. Searched again for Roderick Green- 1 result (all Ireland 1890-99)- birth I posted earlier.
Then tried for parents' marriage.
Searched for Katherine Lonergan married in Waterford - 53 marriages. 1880-1889 = 2 marriages (in Clonmel)
1890-1899 = 5 marriages (2 Clonmel, 1 Waterford, 1 Carrick on Suir, 1 Lismore)
Lismore marriage- Catherine Lonergan Apr/June 1890 volume 4 page 338
Unfirtunately I couldn't find a match for the Lismore marriage with anyone names Green/Greene.
Would the family still have been in Ireland in 1901 and 1911?
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vasaborg
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From Hansards History of Waterford 1870, from list of residents in Cappoquin in 1819, George Greene Esq., Little Bridge, Henry Greene, Attorney.
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