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WEBSTER marriage circa late 1850's
« on: Thursday 16 April 09 14:14 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

New to this forum, it would have been nice to have started by being able to offer some help, as it is I find myself asking for assistance.


John WEBSTER b1836 married Sophia [Unknown] - probably in Norwich mid to late 1850's

John was born to a Matthew and Mary WEBSTER of Norwich, he had at least 3 siblings, Mary, Allen and Benjamin. Sophia, born c1838, originated from the Swannington, Hevingham or Marsham area of Norfolk (her stated place of birth has varied over the 1861-1901 census returns).

John and Sophia had 8 children between 1860 (Alice) and 1877 (Rachel). There may have been 3 more children after that, Emma, Polly and Mary.

Any information would be appreciated as I'm currently unable to locate this marriage either in Parish Records or the GRO index.

Regards, Paul.
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Re: WEBSTER marriage circa late 1850's
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 16 April 09 15:45 UTC (UK) »
I cant see anything either.

I think you will have to get a childs birth cert to find Sophia's previous name(s) to give us a clue.

There is a Sophia Mayes in 1851 at HO107 1810 658 15 in 1851 in Hevington that I wondered about, but it seems she marries Austin Beck in 1855 so thats her out!
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Re: WEBSTER marriage circa late 1850's
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 16 April 09 17:20 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: lizdb on Thursday 16 April 09 15:45 UTC (UK)

I think you will have to get a childs birth cert to find Sophia's previous name(s) to give us a clue.


Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Yes, that's probably the next course of action. I have a fairly certain DOB of one of Sophia's children, albeit one of the latter ones. At the moment my certificate budget is somewhat depleted, but the end of the month is not too far off.

If nobody recognizes Sophia in the meantime I will repost with the certificate details early next month.

Regards, Paul
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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 16 April 09 18:35 UTC (UK) »
It is strange that there are not obvious birth registrations in the index for the children, isnt it? They didnt seem to stray from Norwich.
Of the 9 children listed in 1881 census I can only see possible registrations for 2 of them:

George
Ap/May/Jun 1874
norwich 4b 122

Edith
Ap/May/Jun 1876
Norwich 4b 123

strange.
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Re: WEBSTER marriage circa late 1850's
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 16 April 09 18:41 UTC (UK) »
No - not strange at all - just me being silly and had put the wrong thing in the search!

But still hard to see which are correct as usually more than one possible for them!
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Re: WEBSTER marriage circa late 1850's
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 16 April 09 19:29 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: lizdb on Thursday 16 April 09 18:35 UTC (UK)
It is strange that there are not obvious birth registrations in the index for the children, isnt it? They didnt seem to stray from Norwich.
Of the 9 children listed in 1881 census I can only see possible registrations for 2 of them:

George
Ap/May/Jun 1874
norwich 4b 122

Edith
Ap/May/Jun 1876
Norwich 4b 123

strange.



I've spent some time over these...

Edith is the 'known' child that I have. She is the great grandmother of my partner.

I'm unable to find a match at the moment for Arthur and Polly. Benjamin and Rachel I'm unsure of, not being able to find a Norwich registration. It get's more intersting in 1901 when Emma b1877 appears on the census as a 24 yr old daughter. She was also a witness to Edith's marriage (http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Marriages&RecordID=305167) - I'm not convinced that she is Sophia's daughter - my partner has multiple theories....

Thanks once again for your interest.

Regards, Paul.
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Re: WEBSTER marriage circa late 1850's
« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 April 09 11:58 UTC (UK) »
I have found a marriage of a John Webster in Norwich in 1860 (1) with a Sarah Brown    4b  251. 
I wonder could this be the one you want with the incorrect name on the register.
To add to the complication  the ref  no. is transcribed as   
4b  351. but the actual register says  251.

Regards  Amber39
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Re: WEBSTER marriage circa late 1850's
« Reply #7 on: Friday 17 April 09 13:13 UTC (UK) »
There is this Emma

Birth;
Emma WEBSTER
June 1877
Norwich
4b 11_
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Re: WEBSTER marriage circa late 1850's
« Reply #8 on: Friday 17 April 09 13:44 UTC (UK) »
Thanks to you both.

@amber39

I was looking at that entry earlier today.

Having spent more time trawling through the GRO index I think there is now a danger of entering pure speculation mode - I had better wait until I've obtained a birth certificate for one of Sophia's children.

It is, or course, possible that John and Sophia weren't actually married, or that the marriage was not registered.


@trish1120

I'm aware of that entry. It is possibly the correct one. I've also looked at the scan on FreeBMD but, as with the original transcriber, was unable to read the page number.

In 1901census Emma is shown as the unmarried daughter of John and Sophia. There are a few intriguing details relating to her. She does not appear on either the 1881 or '91 census for the John/Sophia household. Emma appears to have been born in the same year (1877) as Rachel, another of their children (whose birth registration I'm unable to match).

Regards, Paul
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Re: WEBSTER marriage circa late 1850's
« Reply #9 on: Friday 17 April 09 14:21 UTC (UK) »
There are births of a Rachel BROWN 1876 and Emma BROWN 1877 in Norwich, on Freebmd. I havent tried the other missing children yet.
+ Benjamin Robert BROWN Dec 1862, Norwich
+ a few possibilities for Arthur




There are also several marriages of a Sophia on Freebmd  marrying 1855-1865 Norwich with uneven amount of spouses on page;

eg. Sophia Taylor Dec 1855, Norwich

Really confusing one, cant see children christened under maiden name after marriage. This has me beat for now, its late here Roll Eyes

Maybe you can look for Brown girls when Ancestry is up and running again, might be with grandparents ( heres hoping)

Cheers,
Trish
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Re: WEBSTER marriage circa late 1850's
« Reply #10 on: Friday 17 April 09 18:48 UTC (UK) »
Thanks to all who have spent time on this...

At the moment I feel there are probably too many possibilities, I need to know Sophia's former name.

I'll bring forward the ordering of the birth certificate for Edith Webster (Jun 1876; WEBSTER, Edith; Norwich 4b/123) to see what that brings forth and will post back when I receive it.

Enjoy the weekend - Regards, Paul.
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