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nelbec
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I have noticed you asking about Cameron from Leith, I hope I can help with what I have found out in the last 5 days.
I was looking for information on a Eric Priestly who is buried in Widnes Cemetery Cheshire England. I found his war records and found that he died at reading No1 war hospital on 11th June 1918 and was buried from 16 Margaret Street Widnes Lancashire. His wife's name was Ellen Priestly and they married on 9th February 1918. The address's for them were Eric Eaton Temperance Hotel City Road Chester and for Ellen 15 Trinity Street Chester. His Father is down as Harry Priestly Store Keeper and her father as David Cameron Innkeeper. They were married at Chester Registry Office and the witness's were James Murray and Annie Dolan.
Also in the records for Widnes Cemetery are Matilda Cameron 16 Margaret Street Widnes died 8-1-1918 age 40 buried in plot 11R grave 2696 William Cameron 16 Margaret Street Widnes died 16-3-1970 age 78 in plot 12C grave 4644.
I am going to Widnes Library Thursday/Friday to view the local paper to see if the Burial for Eric Priestly is in which I believe it will.
This happens because a friend and myself found his Commonwealth Headstone and wondered why he was buried in Widnes.
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wiggo53
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Hi nelbec, thanks so much for that information. It definitely gives me an explanation of why my nan seemed to have buried eric from a different address than hers. They obviously had all moved over to England to be with nan (Ellen). It did say that there were a large number of mourners at the funeral which I couldnt understand being that eric was an aussie soldier and I couldnt imagine the difficulty of getting to England at the end of WW!. The family in mour ning would have been my nan's own family.
I cant thank you enough for sharing this information with me and would appreciate it if you come across anything more regarding the Camerons of Leith...or Chester!
Heather   
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nelbec
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Ellen had a brother named Alexander and he was badly injured in early 1918 and was hospitalized in Scotland (no Information) he was serving in the Gorden Highlanders and had been in France for 16 months prior to this. Before he enlisted he worked at Widnes Foundry and as a boy attended St Maries School, these are in an area of Widnes called Newtown were Margaret Street was. His sister Ellen Cameron who was recently married to an Australian soldier has worked for 15 months with the Navy and Army Canteen Board, 9 of which she spent in France.She also served as a stewardess on The Spectator a ship of The Harrison Line.
Widnes Weekly News 31st May 1918
There is also a photograph of Alexander and of Ellen in the same report but did not turn out on the copying sorry.
The funeral of Eric Earnest Priestly took place in Widnes the husband Mrs Ellen Priestly of 16 Margaret Street.They were only married in January of this year Mrs Priestly being then in France in the service of the Navy and Army Canteen Board.(She must have come home, My comments). Private Priestly was 25 years old joined the Australian forces early in the war and had been wounded 4 times before receiving the wounds to which he succumbed in hospital in Reading on June 9th.He was the first Australian soldier to be killed or died of wounds received to be interred in the cemetery( still is the only one,my comments) The funeral was attended by a firing party of the South Lancashire Regiment from Warrington, and also a party of buglers.The coffin being covered with the Union Jack. The Rev H. j. Gibbins (Vicar of St Pauls ) officiated and the chief mourners were Mrs Priestley (widow) Mr W Cameron ( father -in-law) Private Alex. Cameron ( brother-in-law) of the Gorden Highlanders (who obtained leave from hospital and attended on crutches. Mr Tom Cooksey (friend of the deceased and a discharged Australian Soldier) Mrs Myers, Mrs Jones, Mr and Mrs Shaw Mr Ned Flanagan, Mr Edward Tobin, Mr M Hastings and a number of employees from the Muspratt Works( another works from Newtown)
A bit of information on Eric's family his father was Henry Samuel Priestly his mother was Amy nee Carrington. married Sydney 1885. Henry died 1939 and Amy 1937.
Hope this helps if I find anything else out I will be in touch.
The reason I got involved is when we found the headstone in Widnes cemetery and wondered why and found out he was buried from 16 Margaret Street. I became more interested as my Grandfather lived at 24 Margaret Street and worked at Muspratts at the same time and must have known the Cameron family. They do say it is a small world how true.
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MonicaLesl
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Nelbec, welcome to RootsChat I just caught up with your posts....WOW! What a huge amount of information you have provided to Heather. You have filled out a lot of info that would have been hard for her to obtain.
Heather, I must admit I've become a bit obsessed with your Ellen and family  I have gone up and down the censuses in both Scotland and England and have to admit that I think something is not right with the info we may have to work from.
With Nelbec's help, we now have a little more info on possible siblings for Ellen. Apart from the Kenneth that you were aware of, there is also an Alexander who looks to have been born pre 1900 (given his war activity in WW1) and the births we found for a couple of sisters up to 1915.
I am struggling with a couple of things! I cannot see an Alexander and/or Ellen with mother Matilda in 1901 under either Cameron or Kelso.
What I have found, if you remember the only possible entries for Matilda Kelso in 1881 and 1891, below is the 1891 for reference, Matilda showing as born in Greenock:
Alexander Kelso 32, Sugarhouse Labr, b. Ireland
Ellen Kelso 32, b. Ireland
Matilda Kelso 16, Millworker (Wool)
Robert Kelso 14
Margaret Kelso 12
James Kelso 10
John Kelso 5
Ellen Kelso 3
Address: 32 Inverkip St, Greenock Renfrewshire
There is also a likely marriage for this Matilda showing on Scotlands People:
1893 David HIGGINS and Matilda KELSO in GREENOCK WEST, RENFREW
Now this couple moved down to Cheadle, Cheshire  for 1901. Interesting names for their children!:
David Higgins 30, labourer on railway, b. Scotland
Matilda Higgins 26, b. Scotland
Alexander Higgins 5, b. Greenock
Ellen Higgins 2, b. Didsbury, Lancashire
Mary Higgins 3 months, b. Cheadle, Cheshire
RG13; Piece: 3300; Folio: 64
I also noted from Nelbec's info that in newspaper article for Eric's funeral, father in law is showing as W. Cameron.....
Getting confusing!
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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wiggo53
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Hi to Monica and nelbec. You people are just fantastic! I really was of the opinion that my Nan was going to always remain a true mystery. Thanks to your fantasti c efforts I am starting to get excited about finding out more! Monica, I totally agree that there is a lot of confusion with Matilda's partner/husband. On nan's wedding certificate to Eric, she has listed herself as being born in Leith, Scotland and that her father's name was David Cameron. My dear old dad (Alexander, would you believe? ) who is a pretty fit 86year old living in Melbourne, Australia seems to remember that Nan had told him and his brother Malcolm, sister Marjorie that their grandad on mum's side was indeed an inn keeper. It is very confusing, but I do hope you remain with me on this, as I am not able to do it on my own. I am presently in hospital in Australia and hope to hear from you again. Many thanks to you both : Heather - would you believe - Wiggins!
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Heather
Poor you - hope your hospital stay is short and successful
Did you get the reference to Ellen being born in Leith from her marriage cert? That's unusual as this information is not normally included on marriage certs.
I think I have the Higgins family in 1911. I haven't viewed the original image just the index for the household...again more twists and turns!
Alexander Higgins, 41, gen. lab., b. Greenock Scotland - why not David
Matilda Higgins, 35, b. Greenock Scotland
Alexander Higgins, 15, green (general?) lab., b. Greenock Scotland
Ellen Higgins, 13, b. Stockport Lancashire
Agnes, Higgins, 12, b. Greenock Scotland
Mary Higgins, 10, b. Stockport Cheshire
Francies Emma (son?) Higgins, 8, b. Stockport Cheshire
Matilda Higgins, 6, b. Stockport Lancashire.
Catherine Higgins, 4, b. Stockport Lancashire
Marget Higgins, 5 months, b. Stockport Cheshire
William Cameron, relative, single, 34, general labourer, b. Greenock Scotland
34 Kingston Street, Stockport, Cheshire
Matilda and Alexander show as married for 17 years which would fit with that 1893 marriage in Greenock Scotland. Why the Alexander rather than David?! And the arrival of a William Cameron in the household... And we have a W.Cameron showing as father in law to Eric in 1918...
I have no idea on the geography down in that part of the world. Nelbec, from your knowledge, are these addresses relevant to the school that Alexander shows as having attended?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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nelbec
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From Stockport to Widnes is 25 miles it takes 30 minutes today on the motorway I dont think it was possible in those days. Also there is no mention of other children in everything I have found so I do not think the Higgins family are connected, but you never know. I will keep searching and will let you know. 
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elaine447
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sorry if this just confuses things but may be worth looking at
birth for Matilda Cameron 1872 in Port Glasgow
there is also a William Cameron born 1874 Port Glasgow
the parents names are William Cameron and Jane Gallina
there are Alexander Cameron's on there too
but different parents
Elaine
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Given,McCorkindale,Kennaway,Wylie,Cameron,Mooney,McCloskey,Black,
McCafferty,Gillespie,Jamieson,Keith,Adam,Quigley,Ainslie,
McHugh,Malone,Fisher,Burns,Gallacher,Nelson,Dunleavy,Brannan,
Docherty,McCluskey,Fitzpatrick,Barclay, Peacock
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MonicaLesl
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Trying to get my head round other sources that could be checked. Heather I know that you are in NZ and checking your sources yourself is impossible. Somethings to keep in mind for further checks:
- Electoral roll at Margaret Street pre and post Matilda's death
- One of the girls births we have under Cameron/Kelso
- Death cert of Matilda for details of who reported death
Struggling at this stage to think of other sources 
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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elaine447
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there are loads of Cameron's on here
also if you go to surnames beginning with K
there are some Kelso's too
http://www.inverclyde.gov.uk/GetAsset.aspx?id=fAA1ADYAMgAwAHwAfABGAGEAbABzAGUAfAB8ADAAfAA1
only reference to an Inn keeper I can see is a Donald Cameron
Elaine
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Given,McCorkindale,Kennaway,Wylie,Cameron,Mooney,McCloskey,Black,
McCafferty,Gillespie,Jamieson,Keith,Adam,Quigley,Ainslie,
McHugh,Malone,Fisher,Burns,Gallacher,Nelson,Dunleavy,Brannan,
Docherty,McCluskey,Fitzpatrick,Barclay, Peacock
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wiggo53
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I cannot begin to tell how excited I am in finding out about nan's family and I also cant thank you all enough too. As I am STILL in hospital in Melbourne, Australia I cant try out the suggestions that you have both made for me. I still remain committed to unlocking dear old Ellen Mona Cameron. Her son, Alexander, my dad, thinks this is all a bit of a hoot (he is 87 years old so I have to humor him). I did notice with his visit today that he asked if I had heard from Rootschat people! Many, many thanks again. With all of this extra info I think I will have to make one overseas trip in my lifetime ; Great Briain or bust!
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MonicaLesl
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Heather
Just concentrate on getting well This is all something to keep your brain ticking!
One option that you could do now when you are up to it is perhaps to put a link on either the Cheshire or Lancashire boards (with a copy of the link to this post for background). There may be people locally who could help further. I'm London based, so no use to you at all
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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nelbec
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wiggo53 I am visiting Widnes library again on Friday 22nd May. I may have some news for you that should help. Fingers crossed.
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MonicaLesl
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That sounds promising Nelbec Fingers crossed from me too!
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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nelbec
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Hello hope you are feeling better. I have been to Widnes Cemetery and Widnes Library and found some things out I will let you know what I have found and what I think and see how we go. If I repeat myself I am sorry but I feel if I do the story then I can keep with the flow.
Ellen Cameron 22 spinster married Eric Ernest Priestly 24 bachelor 9th February 1918 at Chester Registry Office on special licence. Her fathers name on the certificate is DAVID CAMERON INNKEEPER. His father is HARRY PRIESTLY STORE KEEPER. Ellen and Eric both have addresses in Chester.
Eric's army papers were altered to change his next of kin from his father to ELLEN PRIESTLY of 16 MARGARET STREET WIDNES later an address in London and then Brisbane. As papers show when looking for ELLEN to send her ERIC'S medals.
On the 31st May 1918 there was an article in the Widnes Weekly News titled BROTHER AND SISTER ON ARMY SERVICE. It was about Private Alexander Cameron son of the late Mrs Cameron of 16 Margaret Street Widnes had been wounded and in hospital in Scotland. He had been in France for 16 months and 6 months ago was awarded the Military Medal. There is some information about him working at Widnes Foundry and attending St Marie's school?. His sister Mrs Ellen Priestly who has recently married an Australian soldier has worked for 15 months for the Navy and Army Canteen Board 9 months of which were spent in France. She also served as a Steward on The Spectator a ship of the Harrison Line. There is a picture of Alexander and Ellen in the article.
In late June of 1918 another article in the Widnes Weekly News about the funeral of an Australian soldier named Eric Ernest Priestly at Widnes Cemetery. In the report it states the chief mourners were Ellen Priestly (Wife) Mr W Cameron (Father-in-law) Alexander Cameron (Brother-in-law) and others. The funeral party was from 16 Margaret Street Widnes.
On my register of people buried in Widnes Cemetery I have found Mrs MATILDA CAMERON 40 years old of 16 Margaret Street Widnes who passed away and was buried in 8th January 1918 Plot Number 11R grave 2696. There is no report in the local paper of the funeral because of the war and shortage of paper so no details.
Mr William Cameron passed away 16th March 1954 Plot Number 12C grave 4644. There is a report ( and a photograph) in the local paper which states Mr William Cameron of 16 Margaret Street Widnes a native of Scotland aged 76 he was at one time employed by ICI and in later life at Widnes Foundry. Bearers were T.O,Connor, F. Cameron, H. Pountain, J.Smith, W.Smart, W.Lamb and about 20 mourners.
William and Matilda Cameron also had another Daughter named Matilda and she married John Henry Pountain of Widnes. She died 22nd February 1983 and she had 4 sons and 5 daughters, she is buried in Plot Number 17R grave number 5609 with her husband.
I cannot find any of this Cameron family in the 1901 or 1911 census of England and Wales and they must be on the Scottish census of which I do not have access, Sorry.
I believe you need to look on the Scottish site and look for,
1901 William Cameron Born 1876 age 25
Matilda Cameron Born 1878 age 23
Alexander Cameron Born 1894 age 7
1911 William Cameron Born 1876 age 35
Matilda Cameron Born 1878 age 33
Alexander Cameron Born 1894 age 17
Matilda Cameron Born 1906 age 5
I really hope this helps you and is the true story, but I have trawled through information for my family and found mistakes that are so simple. We do forget in those days they travelled the country for work and money indeed the travelled the world. Also education was not available to all.
If I can help anymore I will try my best It has been fun doing it but I have headbutted the wall a few times.
Nearly forgot Margaret Street in Widnes was back to back terraced house,s and is now a green field park with kids swings and slides, O how things change. My grandfather would not remember it today and yet he lived there for over 30 years in that street.
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