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Topic: My Great x 3 G-F John Richardson of Lochmaben Conundrum (Read 774 times)
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DDJJake
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My Great x 3 Grandfather John Richardson of Lochmaben Conundrum
My Great x 2 Grandfather John Maxwell Richardson (Portioner - Joiner)
was born 8 June 1818 in Hightae and died 18 July 1883 in Hightae.
His parents were listed as John Richardson (Heckler) and Janet Maxwell.
They married in Lochmaben on 9 September, 1803.
Janet (Maxwell) Richardson, [predeceased by her husband John before 1855],
died in Hightae on 28 January 1857.
There appears to be two candidate parent pairings for the parentage of John Richardson (Heckler)
v.i.z.
Brothers .... [Sons of John Richardson and Janet Wright of Hightae]
William Richardson (1752-?) and Jean Rae (1756-?)
who had a John Richardson on 28 Jan. 1773 in Hightae
or
James Richardson (1750-?) and Jean Mundall
who had a son John Richardson on 28 Dec. 1778 in Hightae baptised 03 Jan. 1779.
What is needed is a gravestone listing a John Richardson, husband of Janet (Maxwell) Richardson
that also gives a clue to the age of that John on death!
The stone may stand in Lochmaben Old Cemetery (or the New ?)
Can any one help ?
There is also the additional challenge of discovering from whom John Maxwell Richardson inherited his right to be a Portioner !
Aye,
DDJJAKE
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Cuthbert in Perth, Scotland
Telfer, Telford, Maclaren in Stirlingshire, Renfrewshire, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Richardson in Lochmaben, Dumfries
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DDJJake
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Thanks csc
The only evidence (quite strong in fact) that this [below] is the correct parentage of John is the fact that John and Janet Maxwell's first born son in 1806 was a William Richardson ... but it would be excellent to get a look at John's gravestone (if any) to corroborate this hypothesis based on Scottish naming traditions ...
William Richardson (1752-?) and Jean Rae (1756-?)
who had a John Richardson on 28 Jan. 1773 in Hightae.
Aye
DDJJAKE
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Cuthbert in Perth, Scotland
Telfer, Telford, Maclaren in Stirlingshire, Renfrewshire, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Richardson in Lochmaben, Dumfries
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DDJJake
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Thanks csc
I have a photo of that tombstone No. 186
Aye
DDJJAKE
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Richardson in Lochmaben, Dumfries
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DDJJake
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Hi csc,
Thank you for your interest.
Yes, I have had all of these births since 2005.... and all subsequent events, wills etc. in this family until Janet [Richardson] Kerr my Great Grandmother, born Hightae 1855, died in Stirling in 1925.
I only need data for the death/burial of the John R who married Janet Maxwell.
Cheers
DDJJAKE
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Richardson in Lochmaben, Dumfries
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DDJJake
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Hi again csc, and thank you for helping.
Janet [Maxwell] Richardson in the 1851 census is in the Hightae Household of her son, my GG G-F John Maxwell Richardson, aged 69, and was named as Janet Richardson, widow ... mother of Head of Household, JMR.
On her death certificate in 1857, again in the Household of her son my GG G-F John Maxwell Richardson, Janet [Maxwell] Richardson is named 'Janet Maxwell' 'Married'. Informant to the registrar was John Maxwell Richardson, Son. She was buried in Lochmaben Churchyard ... and an inscribed stone, if any, for her could be in her maiden name again, or more likely in her late husband John Richardson's name and on his stone, if any.
Earlier in the 1841 Census, Janet Maxwell aged 55 [normal approximation for her 1782 birth] living in Hightae, uses her maiden name, and the only other person in that household was her daughter Jane Richardson, born, June 1821 and given the usual approx. age of 15.
It appears that John Richardson (Heckler) died before 1841 ... but when and where ... and where is his headstone, if any?
You will now more clearly see why I called this a conumdrum!
Aye
DDJJAKE
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DDJJake
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Further ... for csc ...
Janet Maxwell's father is named on Janet's Death Registration as,
JOHN MAXWELL, PROPRIETOR .... !
It may have been for inheritance reasons that Janet reverted to her maiden name after her husband John Richardson died.
If JOHN MAXWELL had been a Crown Portioner (Proprietor) then she, as his only offspring that I have found, would be the heiress to her father's land{s}.
Then, if these were Crown Portioner lands, her eldest living offspring would inherit. On an assumption that my GG G-F John Maxwell Richardson was the only surviving offspring of Janet in 1857, he may have gained his Portionership then !
DDJJAKE
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BCAl
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Hey DDJJake
My 4G grandfather was also John Richardson from Lochmaben. Based on the 1851 census he was born in Lochmaben around 1781. He then moved to Balmerino, Fife where he married Jean Swan in 1812. They had children, George, Helen, Benjamin, John, David, Jean, Agnes, another Jean, and James.
Unfortunately he died before 1855 so there is no death record for him.
So he is also my conundrum as like you said there were a few John Richardson's born in Lochmaben around that time.
Cheers
Al
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DDJJake
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Hi Al from DDJJAKE
I could find no trace of your John Richardson's birth c. 1781 with a father George, within my complete Lochmaben GRO OPR birth list pre-1854. These lists are 'patchy' and for some periods only girls' births seemed to be being registered !
Nor could I find Jean Swan's birth in Fife c. 1785 on LDS. Their subsequent marriage and children are well documented (sometimes only Father John given) but using Ancestry.com, I could not find them in the 1841 Census ... I found John & Jean and a few adult off-spring in the1851 Census in Balmerino [as you did]. I could not find John and Jean's deaths on my Fife Family History Society CD-ROM of pre-1855 deaths.
I traced Benjamin's marriage and offspring thus,
1861 Scotland Census
Benjamin Richardson [Head] Stone Quarrier
46 years born Balmerino Fife
married to Catherine Wallace 35 born Kemback Fife
[Marriage 02 OCT 1857 in Kemback] OPR
Children
John Richardson 2 born Kemback 09 SEP 1858
Catherine Richardson 8 Months born Kemback 09 AUG 1860
later births ..
David 21 born 21 DEC 1864 Kemback
Jane Ann born 07 OCT 1862 Kemback
Elspeth born 31 DEC 1862 Kemback
Benjamin born 30 JUN 1870 Kemback
Cheers
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BCAl
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Thanks for the info on Benjamin's family.
Yes, the 1841 census for Balmerino was lost in transit on it's way to Edinburgh. Apparently the ship it was on sank.
Jane/Jean died in 1860 at age 76 in Balermino. The informant was her son, Benjamin. The death record lists her father as David Swan and her mother as Margaret (we think) Fergusson.
I had ordered the parish registers from Lochmaben through the LDS and went through them and like you could find no record of John with a father George - assuming that they followed the naming convention.
I'm also curious why John would have moved from Lochmaben up to Balmerino. Must have been a heck of a trip in those days.
Cheers and thanks again
Al
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