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Lizw
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Census look up - John Thomson
« on: Sunday 19 April 09 03:25 UTC (UK) »
I have been searching for years for details about my Gt Gt Grandfather John Thomson. I have quite a bit about his later life now but nothing about where he came from.
I do know that he was born abt 1812 in Scotland the son of John Thomson a Farmer. He had travelled to the West Indies as a young man then India working in the Sugar industry before settling in Lancashire and setting up the Sankey Sugar works. He retired to Chester & died there.
There is a possibility that he came from Old Meldrum and I did find a John Thomson son of a John Thomson Christened there on the 23 Jan 1812 in the IGIs - no mother listed.
I do also know that the Snr John had died by the time John Jnr married in Oct 1859.
There are only hints as to the birth location being Old Meldrum, for instance in his obituary it says he died there but according to his death certificate he died at his home in Chester. There was a husband of his sister in law who was also called John Thomson ( a photographer) who seemed to also have relations there.
So I wonder if anyone would have any ideas of how to look up to see if there were any John Thomson's (the father &/or son &/or any other Thomsons) living in Old Meldrum during the 1841 census or earlier, or if anyone has any ideas or alternative sources for this information.
I would be most grateful for any help any one can provide.
Liz
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Re: Census look up - John Thomson
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 19 April 09 06:25 UTC (UK) »
liz ,if you go on freecen ,there are lots of john thomsons for roughly his age in 1841 census aberdeen from farmers to ag labs ,weavers.eva
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MonicaLesl
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Re: Census look up - John Thomson
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 19 April 09 10:27 UTC (UK) »
Hi Liz

Are there any clues from the names he gave to his children? If he followed Scottish naming pattern, first born son after his father, second born after his mother (or variations from this). Also any surnames used as middle names for this children?

Monica

Added: I can see a Henry (Harry), born c. 1863, Nora born c. 1865 and a James S. 1867 - not many clues from there are there, unless there were some early deaths for their children. Did John remarry? Wife shows as Jemima in 1861 and then Ann/Agnes other censuses.
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Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
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Lizw
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Re: Census look up - John Thomson
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 19 April 09 21:30 UTC (UK) »
Hi - Many thanks for your comments.
I had a look through the free census results (thank you for that) I wonder if this could be the father John Thomson certainly could fit in many respects:

Piece: SCT1841/229 Place: Old Meldrum -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 6
Civil Parish: Old Meldrum Folio: 6 Page: 12              Address: Tullo

THOMSONJohn M       60   Farmer          Aberdeenshire
THOMSON Ann F        55                     Aberdeenshire
ROSS (Mrs)               F        30        Aberdeenshire could this be a dau? 
ROSS Elisabeth I      F          1     Outside Census County        
GAULL   William    M       36      Ag Labourer Aberdeenshire           
PETRIE       John    M       23               Ag Labourer     Aberdeenshire    
KENNEDY    James    M       23               AgLab   Aberdeenshire           
KENNEDY    John    M       21               Ag Lab   Aberdeenshire       
KEMP    James    M       19               Ag Labr     Aberdeenshire
LEUCUS    George    M       14               Ag Lab      Aberdeenshire   
ROBERTSON Barbra    F        25          Female Servant   Aberdeenshire
INNES    Isabela    F        20         Female Servant Outside Census County

I couldn't find them in later census results though. Do I remember correctly do they round adult ages down to the nearest 5 years in the 1841 census?

Then I found in the IGIs a JOhn Thomson christened in 1812 to a John Thomson Father (no mother mentioned though):
Possibility:
JOHN THOMSON     Male         
Event(s):Christening:  23 JAN 1812      Old Meldrum, Aberdeen, Scotland
Parents:   Father:     JOHN THOMSON
Source Information:
Batch No.:C112294

I checked & found possible siblings too:
1. WILLIAM THOMSON  Gender: Male Christening: 14 AUG 1808 Old Meldrum, Aberdeen, Scotland
2. THOMSON Gender: Female Christening: 09 SEP 1813 Old Meldrum, Aberdeen, Scotland
3. JOHN THOMSON Gender: Male Christening: 18 JUN 1804 Old Meldrum, Aberdeen, Scotland
4. JOHN THOMSON Gender: Male Christening: 23 JAN 1812 Old Meldrum, Aberdeen, Scotland
5. DAVID THOMSON Gender: Male Christening: 23 JUN 1815 Old Meldrum, Aberdeen, Scotland
6. ANNE THOMSON -Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUL 1810 Old Meldrum, Aberdeen, Scotland

Perhaps an earlier son John Thomson ch 1804 died in childhood and the John b in 1812 therefore took the name??

With no mention of a mother Anne though I can't be sure that this is the family in the 1841 census I suppose (?)

many many thanks again - I do appreciate any comments re how to find this  family.
Liz
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MonicaLesl
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Re: Census look up - John Thomson
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 19 April 09 21:42 UTC (UK) »
Hi Liz

That's about all I managed to find for this possible family this morning  Smiley This look like the family in 1851, together with 8 servants that I have not included:

John Thompson 72, Farmer (240) Acres Employing, b. Old Deer, Aberdnshire
Ann Thompson 68, b. Old Deer, Aberdnshire
Jean Thompson 31, daughter b. Meldrum
Eliza Thompson 30, daughter b. Meldrum

Address: Tullo, Old Meldrum

There are two entries showing in the Wills & Testament section of Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk:

John   Thomson, 12/12/1859, Farmer in Tulloch in the parish of Meldrum   at Aberdeen Sheriff Court Inventories   SC1/36/45 and SC1/37/45

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Lizw
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Re: Census look up - John Thomson
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 April 09 22:00 UTC (UK) »
This is wonderful Monica!

Now I can order the Will & see if there is a connection between my John & this (fingers crossed that John Jnr is mentioned in the will!)

MANY thanks
Liz
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MonicaLesl
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Re: Census look up - John Thomson
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 19 April 09 22:06 UTC (UK) »
I searched on Scotlands People for John the farmer's death. It certainly shows for the year of 1859. Can't tell until you look what the specific date is. The date shown on the W & T entries could be death date or date relating to the settlement of the estate.

I am just conscious that John Jnr showed his father as deceased at the time of his marriage in 1859 - what date did he marry?

If you do decide to purchase either of the entries on the W & T section of Scotlands People, you can purchase them direct on line on the site. The cost is £5 per entry you chose to view (regardless of the number of pages). You can then save the entries on to  your computer and print off.

Let me know how you get on!

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Lizw
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Re: Census look up - John Thomson
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 19 April 09 22:26 UTC (UK) »
Thank you
I haven't used Scotland's People before so thank you for the advise.

John T Jnr married Jamima Stephens (who was originally from Bo'Ness)on 27 Oct 1859 in Liverpool - so fingers crossed about that .

I'm off to a meeting but will explore Scotland's People afterwards - I will certainly let you know what I find.

Liz
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Lizw
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Re: Census look up - John Thomson
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 03:50 UTC (UK) »
Great news!!
I downloaded John Thomson of Tulloch's testament and an executor was John Thomson of Sankey Sugar Works, Lancashire. John Thomson Snr had died 29th Sept 1859, a month before John Thomson Jnr married stating his father was deceased.
There were nearly 900 John Thomsons born in Scotland in that time frame I can't believe we've found him. Thank you all for your help - this has been a 4 year search and I am very grateful for all the help I have received from all the wonderful Rootschat contributors on all the different boards.
You are all wonderful!
Liz
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Re: Census look up - John Thomson
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 08:26 UTC (UK) »
That is great news Liz! Certainly looks like you have broken through  Smiley

Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
MonicaLesl
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Re: Census look up - John Thomson
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 08:42 UTC (UK) »
Mother Ann looks to have lived to a fine age  Smiley

1861:

Anne Thomson 78, Farmer Of 285 Acres Employing 8 Male & 2 Fermale Servants, b. Old Deer
Jane Thomson 47, daughter, b. Meldrum
John Ross 18, grandson, Agricultural Student, b. MacDuff, Banffshire 

Address: Tullo, Meldrum

1871:

Grandson John looks to have taken over the farm:

John Ross 28, Farmer (of 285 Acres Arable Employing 6 Men & 1 Woman), b. McDuff Banff
Ann Ross 60, mother, Annuitant b Meldrum
Ann Thomson 88, grandmother, b. Old Deer
Jane Thomson 57, aunt Annuitant b. Meldrum

Address: Tullo, Meldrum

Likely death for mother Ann in 1872:

Ann Thomson( other name Naughton), 89, in Old Meldrum

Liz, if you haven't seen Scottish death certificates before, they include additional information than English death certs. You will be able to confirm Ann's (and John Snr's) parents, including mothers' maiden names, if known to the informant from their entries which will help you in trying to trace them back to their families.

A good guide here on RC to Scottish records and resources: www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html

Monica  Smiley
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
MonicaLesl
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Re: Census look up - John Thomson
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 08:50 UTC (UK) »
Hopefully you can confirm this from Ann's DC. From IGI www.familysearch.org a possible christening for Ann:

ANNE NAUGHTON  Christening: 28 MAR 1782 Old Deer, Aberdeen
Parents:JOHN NAUGHTON and ANNE BIRSE

Other potential siblings:

1. NAUGHTON Christening: 13 MAY 1773 Old Deer
2. JANNET NAUGHTON Christening: 16 JAN 1778 Old Deer
3. JOHN NAUGHTON  Christening: 03 OCT 1783 Old Deer

Monica

Added: If you have a look at Wills & Testaments on SP, you will also find two entries for Ann following her death in 1872.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Lizw
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Re: Census look up - John Thomson
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 10:36 UTC (UK) »
Brilliant - Thank you Monica!
I just found this online which all ties in perfectly:
In Old Meldrum cemetery:
Names and dates on Stone Number 21:
John   THOMSON   29 Sep 1859
Ann   NAUGHTON   1 Jun 1872
David   THOMSON   20 Apr 1896
Elizabeth THOMSON   13 Jun 1896
William   DEN                     6 Nov 1906
Jane   THOMSON   29 Dec 1907

Wow what progress in just a day!
Liz
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