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Topic: Carlisle Baptism records 1808 - ROBSON (Read 638 times)
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Potterings
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I wonder if anyone can check the Carlisle christening records for me please for John ROBSON christened Carlisle in 1808.
Judging by his descendants who were all christened in Church of England churches, I wonder if he would have been christened at St James' Church, but as I am completely unfamiliar with the area, I am not sure.
John moved to Nottingham sometime between his birth in 1808 and the first census record in 1841.
Thank you
Sue
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Potterings
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Thank you for the prompt reply.
I hadn't thought about the fact that it might have been an approximation of place! I was perhaps being too hopeful and rather pleased with myself that I had narrowed it down to one church!
As I couldn't ask anyone to search such a potentially broad area, I'll leave John alone for a while!
Thank you again. I really appreciate your suggestion.
regards
Sue
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Potterings
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Found on ....
http://www.visitcumbria.com/churches/carlisle-stjames.htm
"St James's church, on St James Road designed by Andrews and Pepper of Bradford was built between 1865-67"
but this information was not easy to find!
Sue
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emmsthheight
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Hi
Like Goeff said, there would only be St Mary and St Cuthbert actually in the Carlisle of the day, though Stanwix was also open. Why did you think St James? If it were that early, near the present St James, Denton Holme, it would be one of the two city vcnetre churches or possibly Dalston.
Best wishes
Emms
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Potterings
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I had looked at the Carlisle Diocese of the present day and come up with St James as the most likely, but the dates now preclude this as being a contender.
http://www.carlislediocese.org.uk/churches/deaneries/carlisle.html
As I said I am completely unfamiliar with this area of England (this is my first foray up there family history-wise), so I am grateful for any suggestions.
If St Mary & St Cuthbert's is the church, unless as Geoff suggested in the first email John being so far from his birthplace had meant 'near Carlisle', does anyone have easy access to their records and could look up a christening there for John ROBSON circa 1808?
Thank you all for your continued interest.
Sue
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emmsthheight
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Hi Sue
These are in the library on film and in the record office.
No index in the library, but |I'll have a go, if noone's in before me. I asume it's not one of the ones on the IGI?
Main thing is, they're huge registers so the closer the date the better. If you have other referrences - death or marriage age & date, other censuses, do let me have them. There are hooards every week in these registers.
Best wishes
Emms
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Potterings
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Hi Emms
It is very kind of you to offer but with such a lot that is unknown and no other factor at all to link this man to the area or to anyone else other than through the censuses (1841-1871), I would hate to waste your time.
I am unsure as to whether this man is any of the possible ones on the IGI again because there is nothing to link him to a specific area or parent!
I believe he married Harriett Wass in St Peter's Nottingham (my territory) on 23 feb 1832 and they had three children christened there (IGI). Their names are Mary Jane, John and Andrew. Andrew seems to be a consistently used christian name, but again this is very little to go on.
Thank you so much for the offer and unless you particularly like Everest proportion challenges, then I will have to call a halt at the Robson line with John 1808.
Although, your suggestion about marriage age might be possible to find. I''ll have a look in Nottm Archives and the Nat Burial Index for a possible age and get back to you, if that's okay.
Thanks again
Sue
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Potterings
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Wow! Wonderful. This would mean that his birth year is accurately given as 1808.
Thank you
Sue
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morskaj
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Hi, There is a John Robson born 20-03-1808, it just says Cumberland, parents Thomas Robson and Mary Thompson Robson. Check out www.familysearch.org. Morskaj.
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Potterings
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Thank you very much for this.
Following your note, I had a quick look for other children of Thos and Mary on familysearch, to see if there might be something to link to my John Robson, but found nothing conclusive.
I also looked for a marriage between Thomas and Mary trying out the maiden name Thompson, but again, nothing to help prove that this is my man.
But thank you for the suggestion. I'll make a note of it and keep checking.
Sue
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morskaj
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Hi again, Do you have the marriage certificate of John and Harriet, or the church record? Either of them may list John's father and father's occupation.
As for Carlisle, the churches in Carlisle were St. Mary's, (which was in the Cathedral grounds), and St. Cuthbert's, (which was not too far away from St. Mary's). Thought the two churches were less than a couple of hundred yards apart, St. Mary's tended to cover 'Carlisle within' and St Cuthbert's, covered, 'Carlisle without'. This simply means that because Carlisle was a walled city, there was Carlisle within the walls and Carlisle outside the walls, (though both churches were inside). If anyone ever finds these terms - that's what it means.
Carlisle has grown over the last 200 years and has brought the near villages into its boundaries, so Stanwix now is an estate in Carlisle - then it was a village, Botcherby, Newtown, Upperby, Raffles were some of the others. If it says Carlisle on the census it could actually mean within the boundary of Carlisle, e.g. not in one of the surrounding villages, as the record would have been for there not Carlisle. It depends also whether the record is for a birth in 1808, or a christening in 1808. A child could of course be any age when baptized, not necessarily a baby. (Catholics however tend to be baptized on the first Sunday after birth!).
One other thing for everybody to watch out for!! The 1841 census gives the correct age until 15 years old, then it rounds up the person's age to the next five. So if someone is listed as 40, they can be anywhere from 36-40. Better go now it's 1 a.m. Bye, Morskaj.
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Similarly, age 63 in 1871 census implies a birth between April 1807-March 1808, so more likely in 1807. At least he was consistent in the censuses ... 43, 53 and 63 and always Carlisle.