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williamscdr
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Re: Moss Maria GREAD Look Up Please
« Reply #15 on: Monday 20 April 09 13:11 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: LKL on Monday 20 April 09 11:57 UTC (UK)
think it must be a mistake - given NJ's Death Index find ?

also cant find her first marriage to James Stebbing - they are together with a 7 and 5 year old Rosina born St Panc in the 1861* Census in Bromley (Bow / POplar area) .... so it may have to be Rosinas Birth Cert to reveal Maria L's maiden name ....


* 1861 -  RG9/300; Folio: 55; Page: 31

These are likely births (ie Stebbing in Pancras 1850-60)

Births Jun 1851   
Stebbing  Edwin    St.Pancras  1 398   

Births Jun 1854   
STEBBING  Charles Napier     St Pancras  1b 84   

Births Mar 1856   
STEBBING  Rosina Mary     St Pancras  1b 92
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Re: Moss Maria GREAD Look Up Please
« Reply #16 on: Monday 20 April 09 13:14 UTC (UK) »
hmmm and 1840-50

Births Dec 1840   
Stebbing  Grace    St Pancras  1 302   

Births Jun 1841   
Stebbing  Alfred William     St Pancras  1 253   

Births Dec 1842   
STEBBING  Edward Charles     St.Pancras  1 315   

Births Sep 1844   
STEBBING  Christopher     St Pancras  1 316   

Births Mar 1846   
Stebbing  Thomas     St Pancras  1 343   

Births Sep 1847   
Stebbing  Charlotte     St Pancras  1 265   

Births Dec 1848   
Stebbing  Blanche Agnes     St Pancras  1 335   

With James' birth date in 1836 these  aren't his children but they do show Stebbings' are around Pancras

Just seen the 1881, James was born in 1804 so these childen could be his
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Re: Moss Maria GREAD Look Up Please
« Reply #17 on: Monday 20 April 09 13:26 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: LKL on Monday 20 April 09 12:12 UTC (UK)
Bet this was them in 1851 !

1851 - HO107/1505; Folio: 27; Page: 11- Hackney

James Stebbing WIDOWER 47 Head Omnibus Conducter  Ratcliff
James* Stebbing    15 son Hackney
Mary Stebbing    5 dau do
Joseph H Stebbing    2 son do
Eliza A Stebbing    5 Mo dau do

Maria L Lymes UnMarried 23 Visitor Bethnal Green



* This son James is back at home in the 1871 census - RG10/573; Folio: 76; Page: 36 - Bromley St Leonard / Poplar


Likely death of James:

Deaths Dec 1884   
Stebbing  James  46  Stepney  1c 319

Likely death of James:

Deaths Dec 1882   
Stebbing  James  77  Poplar

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Re: Moss Maria GREAD Look Up Please
« Reply #18 on: Monday 20 April 09 15:01 UTC (UK) »
Nice one Tati - I double checked the 1851 and was 99% deffo an L - but as often seen, you cant trust em  Wink

William, if you had looked at the two posts twixt you ones you quote, you'd have seen the relevant St Pancras Birth Index entries   Tongue
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Re: Moss Maria GREAD Look Up Please
« Reply #19 on: Monday 20 April 09 15:04 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: LKL on Monday 20 April 09 15:01 UTC (UK)
Nice one Tati - I double checked the 1851 and was 99% deffo an L - but as often seen, you cant trust em  Wink

William, if you had looked at the two posts twixt you ones you quote, you'd have seen the relevant St Pancras Birth Index entries   Tongue

yeah see them now, I was just engrossed in trying to get an angle in to find the maiden name ...... but alas to no avail.

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Re: Moss Maria GREAD Look Up Please
« Reply #20 on: Monday 20 April 09 20:14 UTC (UK) »
WOW! I awoke this morning to find all this information here from my post last night. I thank you all so much for your time and the research you have all done. I will go to work now and tonight I will carefully go through the information posted.

Many thanks
Kindest regards,
Nick
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Gread - Worldwide
Straw - Kingsbridge/Charlton/Plymouth, Devon
Chapman - Sunderland, Durham
Humphreys - Worcester
Lochhead - Lanarkshire
Evans - Lambeth, London
Young - Newcastle
Jones - Kent
Dallas - Fordoun, Kincardineshire
Surridge - Surrey
Brown - Scotland
Banks - Scotland
Patchett and Hodson - Leicestershire
Dring - Leicestershire
Steer - Kingsbridge/Dartmouth, Devon
Burridge - Sussex
Scott - Meath, Ireland
Croot - London
Byers - Sunderland, Durham
Coleman - Hampshire
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Re: Moss Maria GREAD Look Up Please
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 07:07 UTC (UK) »
Dear all,

Thank you again for all your help.
I am slowly going through the information posted. It is all beginning to come together.
There are probably still more questions than answers but wow what a great help you have all been. I honestly can not thank you enough.

It is extremely interesting to note if we look at Maria's surname being SYMES then if I trace the GREAD surname I see that a GREAD married a SYMES in Devon!! Perhaps Maria is a descendant of this same SYMES family?
I also see that some of this SYMES family actually went to London!
Wow! Its getting more and more facinating by the minute.

Would by chance would anyone be able to look up Joseph and Mary SYMES in the 1841 or 1851 census and see if they were born in London or Devon?

LKL are you able to please send me more details of the census information you have found as I can see this being of further help to me.

Regards
Nick.
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Gread - Worldwide
Straw - Kingsbridge/Charlton/Plymouth, Devon
Chapman - Sunderland, Durham
Humphreys - Worcester
Lochhead - Lanarkshire
Evans - Lambeth, London
Young - Newcastle
Jones - Kent
Dallas - Fordoun, Kincardineshire
Surridge - Surrey
Brown - Scotland
Banks - Scotland
Patchett and Hodson - Leicestershire
Dring - Leicestershire
Steer - Kingsbridge/Dartmouth, Devon
Burridge - Sussex
Scott - Meath, Ireland
Croot - London
Byers - Sunderland, Durham
Coleman - Hampshire
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Re: Moss Maria GREAD Look Up Please
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 07:27 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Tati on Monday 20 April 09 12:42 UTC (UK)
Great find anyway, LKL!  Cheesy

How about:

Maria Louisa Symes
Birth 3 Aug 1824, christening 29 Aug 1824
Saint Matthew, Bethnal Green, London
Father Joseph Symes, mother Mary

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Morning all,

What do we think of this 1841 census return?

Piece: HO107/1188/5 Place: Westbury -Wiltshire Enumeration District: 14
Civil Parish: Westbury Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 23 Page: 13
Address: Upper Road

SIMS, Joseph, M, 40,  Outside Census County 
Mary, F, 35             
Maria, F, 19               
Emma, F, 15         
Louisa, F, 11             
Sidney, M, 5             
Joshua, M, 2           
JEFFRIES, Geo, M, 15   (Woollen) Foreman         

All born outside census county
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Re: Moss Maria GREAD Look Up Please
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 07:57 UTC (UK) »
Oh that certainly looks probable. Many thanks for that.
Hopefully someone is able to look up other census years to confirm other details.
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Gread - Worldwide
Straw - Kingsbridge/Charlton/Plymouth, Devon
Chapman - Sunderland, Durham
Humphreys - Worcester
Lochhead - Lanarkshire
Evans - Lambeth, London
Young - Newcastle
Jones - Kent
Dallas - Fordoun, Kincardineshire
Surridge - Surrey
Brown - Scotland
Banks - Scotland
Patchett and Hodson - Leicestershire
Dring - Leicestershire
Steer - Kingsbridge/Dartmouth, Devon
Burridge - Sussex
Scott - Meath, Ireland
Croot - London
Byers - Sunderland, Durham
Coleman - Hampshire
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Re: Moss Maria GREAD Look Up Please
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 08:03 UTC (UK) »
There you go  Smiley

1891 - RG12/328; Folio 81; Page 52 - Bromley (Poplar District)
88, Levan Road

Charles Gread    33 Head Commision Agent Poplar
Rosina Gread    34 Wife
Charles Gread    7 son Poplar
Rosina Gread    5 dau do
Frank Gread    4 son do
Robert Gread    3 son do
Alfred Gread    6/12 son do

Elizabeth Butler  WIDOW 71 Mother Bethnal Green
Maria Inns  WIDOW 65  Mother In Law do
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Re: Moss Maria GREAD Look Up Please
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 08:42 UTC (UK) »
Thank you for that. Yes poor old Charles having both mothers there. lol
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Gread - Worldwide
Straw - Kingsbridge/Charlton/Plymouth, Devon
Chapman - Sunderland, Durham
Humphreys - Worcester
Lochhead - Lanarkshire
Evans - Lambeth, London
Young - Newcastle
Jones - Kent
Dallas - Fordoun, Kincardineshire
Surridge - Surrey
Brown - Scotland
Banks - Scotland
Patchett and Hodson - Leicestershire
Dring - Leicestershire
Steer - Kingsbridge/Dartmouth, Devon
Burridge - Sussex
Scott - Meath, Ireland
Croot - London
Byers - Sunderland, Durham
Coleman - Hampshire
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Re: Moss Maria GREAD Look Up Please
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 10:00 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: williamscdr on Tuesday 21 April 09 07:27 UTC (UK)
What do we think of this 1841 census return?

Piece: HO107/1188/5 Place: Westbury -Wiltshire Enumeration District: 14
Civil Parish: Westbury Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 23 Page: 13
Address: Upper Road

SIMS, Joseph, M, 40,  Outside Census County 
Mary, F, 35             
Maria, F, 19               
Emma, F, 15         
Louisa, F, 11             
Sidney, M, 5             
Joshua, M, 2           
JEFFRIES, Geo, M, 15   (Woollen) Foreman         

All born outside census county

Hmmm. 1851 has them born Wiltshire  Undecided

1851
HO107/1842 431 14
Westbury, Wiltshire
Mary Sims, head, wid, 48, Labourer in Cloth Factory, b. Westbury
Sidney, son, 15, ditto, b. do.
Joshua, son, 12, scholar, b. do.
William Haywood, lodger, unm, 17, Labourer in Cloth Factory, b. do.
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