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kiwihalfpint
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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 19:23 UTC (UK) »
hi you two,


debs, In answer to your question, I don't know who she married, there was no indication on the admission form.

Just been going through the tree, my grandfather was 20 years younger than his older sister, in fact born 1 year after she married, so I more or less knew about his mothers side of the family.
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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 19:26 UTC (UK) »
Got this passenger list:
1 st May 1860 Ship name Underwriter
Liverpool to New York
Alexander McNeil aged 28 b 1832 Collier going to Utah
Archibald McNeil  aged 15 b 1845  Collier going to Utah
both born in Scotland

I noticed too lots of Archibald & Janet McNeil come up for Canada ? Have you thought of looking there it was only a trip over the boarder from USA maybe that is where they ended up ? just a thought
Also seen surname wrote as McNiel & McNeel maybe worth trying
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kiwihalfpint
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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 19:31 UTC (UK) »
Think they are the wrong people.     Archibald born in the year 1836 and the right year for Janet but wrong person, none of them had 2nd initials.

Its now 7.30 am, I have to leave for an appointment at 8 am, will be back on in an hour or so.

Have fun ..... told you it would be a hard one to hunt Grin
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kiwihalfpint
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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 22:23 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: tiggi on Tuesday 21 April 09 19:26 UTC (UK)

I noticed too lots of Archibald & Janet McNeil come up for Canada ? Have you thought of looking there it was only a trip over the boarder from USA maybe that is where they ended up ? just a thought
Also seen surname wrote as McNiel & McNeel maybe worth trying

Any suggestions are welcome ......will try Canada ..... certainly the spelling of names is always different, the clerks wrote it down the way it sounded .... I've noticed that a lot in transcribing .....

Why oh Why didn't they have second names Roll Eyes

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KHP
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deb usa
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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 12:19 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: deb usa on Tuesday 21 April 09 11:29 UTC (UK)

In 1860 Janet is a domestic working for Abel Burton a farmer in Shawangunk, Ulster, New York


Hi

checked the above again ...she is 35 in 1860 ..... went to 1870 to see if she had married Abel Burton ...  Undecided  he's still single  Undecided

Will look at Canada....

deb

Hi cousin Tiggi  Cheesy Kiss

added ... What was Janet and Archie's mother's name?
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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 13:03 UTC (UK) »
hi again

Trying to get an idea of when Janet may have left Scotland.

In 1851 there is a Janet McNeil , 29, b Renfrew, Paisley, Lodger  Glasgow St George,  Lanarkshire ...I now her DOB is off but it was also a few years out in 1860.

she is Lodging at; 7 Burnside St and is a Power Loom Weaver .
lodging with;
Isabella Stevenson 60 
Thomas Lithyo 53


deb  Undecided
 

added ...just found the family in 1851 Smiley , posting it for reference;

Alexr McNeil 51 
Janet  50 
Margt  17 
Daniel  21 
Archibald 14 ...errand boy
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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 13:11 UTC (UK) »
Hi Debs  hope this helps from 1st post regarding parents;

My gggrandfather was born 9 June 1799, Johnstone, Renfrewshire, Scotland to James McNeil (his name was taken from the death registration of Alexander) and Margaret McBride.    Died 12 January 1867, in Abbey Poorhouse.  Baptised 16 June 1799 Abbey, Paisley.   He appears in the 1851 census as living at 17 Green Street, Barony, Glasgow, and was a cotton spinner.   I guess he was Partially disabled due to this.

I think that is father Alexander of 2 children Janet & Archibald that's how I would read it



so see if we can find him in either 1851 or 1861 Census in Scotland might tell us mother's name...... unless  KHP already knows ?

Aah just seen your post for 1851 Census so where is Janet b 1822 ?
wonder that is her you found in 1851 maybe loding with the family ?
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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 13:15 UTC (UK) »
Hi Tiggi

yes , that's why I asked about the kid's mother's name .... Alexander was s/o James McNeil and Margaret McBride.

Found the mother's name in 1851 ..Janet!

I can see them in 1841 but Janet bc 1822 isn't with them. Out working somewhere?

wish we knew who she married and where

deb
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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 13:37 UTC (UK) »
There is a Janet Mcneil in 1861
born 1827 Paisley, Renfrewshire  aged 34
City Parish Poorhouse Glasgow Barony Lanarkshire

Could this be daughter working there? is it same place Alexander was living in Barony Glasgow in 1851?

Also a Barbara McNeil listed b 1826  aged 35 Campbelton, Argyleshire same place
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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 13:58 UTC (UK) »
doesn't help much but here they are in 1841
Montgy St Eaglesham Renfrewshire
Alexander McNeil 40 cotton spinner
Janet McNeil 40 
Daniel McNeil 40 
Margarete McNeil 8 
Archibald McNeil 4 

think this is Janet in 1841
Matshew St Greenock West Renfrewshire
Margaret McNeil 60 
Catherin McNece 30 
Janet McNeil 18 
Margaret Campbell 10 

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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 14:01 UTC (UK) »
IGIs have

ALEXANDER MCNEIL
JANET MCDOW 

20 JUL 1822   Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland

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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 14:14 UTC (UK) »
Hi jc  that could well be their marriage good find
lets recap :

IGIs have

ALEXANDER MCNEIL
JANET MCDOW

20 JUL 1822   Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew, Scotland


I think we can agree this is same family in 1841 & 1851
Although Daniel is aged wrong in 1841 Census

1841  Montgy St Eaglesham Renfrewshire
Alexander McNeil b 1801  40 cotton spinner
Janet McNeil        b 1801  40
Daniel McNeil                    40 
Margarete McNeil b 1833   8
Archibald McNeil   b 1837   4

1851        17 Green Street, Barony, Glasgow
Alexr McNeil 51                     b 1800
Janet  50                              b 1800
Margt  17                              b 1824
Daniel  21                             b 1830
Archibald 14 ...errand boy    b 1837

So If the married in 1822
Margaret                                      born 1824
Daniel                                           born 1830
Archibald                                       born 1837

Could there be more children?
KHP mentions a  Janet born 1822

Has Debs found her maybe living with her Grandmother?
Alexander mother was called Margaret Mcbride

1841 Matshew St Greenock West Renfrewshire
Margaret McNeil 60
Catherin McNece 30
Janet McNeil 18
Margaret Campbell 10 


I wonder if there is an Alexander  quite a few on census ? If they called a child after mother makes sense a son after father don't you think?
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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 14:19 UTC (UK) »
1881 Canada... possibly Archibald
Arcibald MCNEIL   45   Scotland   Farm Labourer
Mary MCNEIL   42   Scotland 
James MCNEIL 13   Ontario     
Janet MCNEIL 8   Ontario   
Neil MCNEIL  6   Ontario     
Mary MCNEIL  3   Ontario 

all are presbyterians   
Scott, Ontario North, Ontario
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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 14:21 UTC (UK) »
there is another Archie McNeil in Plymton, Lambton, Ontario 1881 but  the childrens names are not following any patern.
worth keeping a note of them though.
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Re: Kiwihalfpints Scavenger Hunt....Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 14:29 UTC (UK) »
from IGI

JANET MCNEIL 25 AUG 1822   Abbey (Paisley), Renfrew
parents; Aleaxander McNeil and Janet MCDOUGALL

 Undecided
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