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Lynnee
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William WATSON
« on: Tuesday 21 April 09 13:46 UTC (UK) »
I am new at this so please forgive me if I am doing this wrong.
I am searching for my great..grandfather William WASTON.

His grave stone in Sydney Australia read.
William Watson died 30 March 1841 aged 46 years. Native of Aberdeenshire Parish of Alford.
National Archives of Scotland NAS Catalogue.
William Watson, alias Reid, shoemaker, Address: Ardgathen. Entry relating to the crime of forgery. Date of trial: 17 Sep 1816, Verdict: Guilty, Verdict Comments: Guilty in terms of own confession, Sentence: Transportation - 14 years, Note: Sentenced on 19 September 1816 (see JC11/56, f.49r).

His birth would have been abt 1794. I have not been able to find any records on Family Search or Scotland People.

Any help would be apreciated.
Thanks
Lynnee
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audrey
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Re: William WATSON
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 14:06 UTC (UK) »
cant find a William in Aberdeen you might want to consider this one as he was alias Reid[pos no 2
1.William Watson b 21/5/1797 at Crawfordjohn Lanark
father William Watson
mother Jean Reid

2.William Reid b 1/3/1798 Alford
father William Reid
mother Margaret Wats

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Lynnee
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Re: William WATSON
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 14:12 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: audrey on Tuesday 21 April 09 14:06 UTC (UK)
cant find a William in Aberdeen you might want to consider this one as he was alias Reid[pos no 2
1.William Watson b 21/5/1797 at Crawfordjohn Lanark
father William Watson
mother Jean Reid

2.William Reid b 1/3/1798 Alford
father William Reid
mother Margaret Wats

audrey

Hi Audrey, I have no idea.  Smiley
Will have to look at a map. to see where Crawfordjohn Lanark is.
Thanks
Lynnee
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audrey
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Re: William WATSON
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 14:17 UTC (UK) »
I think you will find your William Watson was infact William Reid and he used his mother name Wats.and changed it to Watson he had a brother Robert Reid born 26/2/1800 in Alford

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Lynnee
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Re: William WATSON
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 21:56 UTC (UK) »
Hi Audrey, Thanks, It makes sense. I had a look at Family Search and could find William Ried but not his brother Robert. Could you tell me where you got our information from?

The other question I have is that the  records of Grave stone and Australian Census put birth at 1774.

Australian 1828 Census TNA copy
William Watson Age 34,  Lord Eldon, Arrival 1817,14 years, Shoemaker Windsor
Grave stone information from Grave Stone inscriptions NSW Vol 1, Sydney Burial Grounds Sandhills. by Keith A Johnson published 1973.

That is a 4 year difference in date of birth.

I am still learning and would appreciate any advice.
Thanks
Love
Lynnee (in Australia)
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Lynnee
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Re: William WATSON
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 21 April 09 22:50 UTC (UK) »
Correction Birth should be 1794
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audrey
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Re: William WATSON
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 08:01 UTC (UK) »
I still say William Reid is your man
Williams mother is recorded as WATS
Roberts mother as WAT both born Alford maybe some one else could look at this and see if they agree ,as for age my G . grandfather could have been born any where between 1824 /33 depending on which census I believe

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Lynnee
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Re: William WATSON
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 08:42 UTC (UK) »
Hi Audrey, thanks for your help.
If I order his record from the NAS do you know if it would have these details of parents and birth dates etc?Huh. Not that I am planing to buy the records yet. But one day when I have enough money it would be nice.
Thanks
Love
Lynnee
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Tricia MORE
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Re: William WATSON
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 11:53 UTC (UK) »
Hi Lynne
Audrey could be correct .
First I thought this William Reid's folks may not have married but they did  1794.
Marriage
28/10/1794 REID WILLIAM MARGARET WATT/ M Alford /ABERDEEN 171/ 0010 0187
Entry does not give any clues except that they were both of the parish.


William baptism 1798 shows same address as his MI in Australia ie Ardgathan.  NB: Baptism need not have been same year he was born!!!!

1798 registration in Alford Aberdeen for William in Apr 1st or 3rd just says.
"Wm Reid in Ardgathan: Wm Reid & Margt Watt in Ardgathan had a son baptised and named William. Witness Robt (could be Watson Weston) and John Leochill there."
03/04/1798 REID WILLIAM     WM. REID/MARGT. WATT M Alford /ABERDEEN 171/ 0010 0113
01/04/1798 REID WILLIAM WILLIAM REID/MARGARET WATS FRCH2V2P1 M Alford /ABERDEEN 171/ 0010 0113
both entries above same data.

his brother:
26/02/1800 REID ROBERT WILLIAM REID/MARGARET WAT FRCH2V2P6 M Alford /ABERDEEN 171/ 0010 0118

I will send you copy of orig 1798 entry to your home email

Love from your nearly cousin(if we can get these Johnstons sorted).
Tricia.


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Tricia MORE
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Re: William WATSON
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 12:01 UTC (UK) »
a good website for ALFORD>
http://www.alfordimages.com/picture/number96.asp
NOTE:Mr James Watson (carpenter, Ardgathan),
is on main photo. 


Lynne - I forgot to say that my step-children's maternal line were in ALFORD around early 1800s  Smiley
ELLIS  LESLIE COW LAING  names.
Small World !
Anyone else here have these names?

Tricia
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Re: William WATSON
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 12:15 UTC (UK) »
Me again
but this could be William & Margaret in 1841 census.  Ages not always correct in that census.

Piece: SCT1841/171 Place: Alford -Aberdeenshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Alford Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 4 Page: 2
Address: Cornerstone
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     Surname   First name(s)   Sex   Age   Occupation   Where Born   Remarks   
    REID   William   M   68   Ag Lab    Aberdeenshire       
    REID   Margaret   F   74       Aberdeenshire

The site for looking for some census in Scotland is
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
not all years areas there but I did a search on 1841 County Abderdeen area Alford and surname REID - left years and forename blank.
Alford also has 1851 and Margaret is alone there aged 84.
Problem is that both also through up a William Reid born Alford c 1800.!!!  I will try to find  a death cert for him.

Tricia
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Re: William WATSON -READ THIS IMPORTANT
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 12:39 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Tricia MORE on Wednesday 22 April 09 11:53 UTC (UK)
Hi Lynne
Audrey could be correct .
 

I have just found in ALFORD records a death for WILLIAM REID

Death 1887 William Reid son of William Reid and Margt Watt
Aged 89 a crofter ADDRESS  is ARDGATHEN, ALFORD.
 widower of Ann Burnett. Son Archibald informant - his add Cornerstone, Alford.

So in my view this rules out Wm born 1798 as Lynne's guy.
Not sure what you all think now but the Address ARDGATHEN on the Australian MI must mean we are close.
Did Margaret W have a child pre marrying W Reid.   

According to census 1841 1851 Marg W   born c 1767 Alford.  She could easily have had a child(in or out of wedlock) before marriage to W Reid.

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Re: William WATSON
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 12:50 UTC (UK) »
Dear Trica and Audrey, Thank you very much for all your hard work in finding out family information for me. Now I need spend some time processing it all into my Family Tree.
Love
Lynnee
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Re: William WATSON
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 14:10 UTC (UK) »
Hi Lynnee,
Thought you would be interested in the following :-

CALEDONIAN MERCURY
MONDAY, 9 SEPTEMBER 1916

The following persons have been served with indictments to stand trial before the ensuing Circuit Court of Justiciary, at Aberdeen, viz
William Watson, alias William Reid for forgery.


CALEDONIAN MERCURY
SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 1816


Aberdeen, Sept 18
Yesterday the Circuit Court of Justiciary was opened here by the Right Honourable Lord Gillies.
After the usual preliminaries, the Court proceeded to the trial of William Watson, alias Reid, shoemaker in Skene Street, Aberdeen, charged with forgery. The  indictment accused the panel of being guilty of uttering and using, as true and genuine, a false and forged letter, purporting to be written by John Reid, farmer of Guise, in the parish of Tough, and addressed to Mr Leith, builder in Aberdeen, requesting him to advance to the panel, William Reid, the sum of L10 Sterling, on his, Mr John Reid’s account. In this imposition, it appeared, that he succeeded, Mr Leith having advanced the sum desired; but at the same time taking due precautions to identify the prisoner, in case the letter in question should turn out to be forged. The libel was restricted to an arbitrary punishment, in terms of his own confession, and will receive sentence on Thursday.
Counsel for the Crown, Samuel McCormick, Esq. For the panel, William Buchanan, Esq.

CALEDONIAN MERCURY
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, 1816

Aberdeen, Sept 19.
The court met this day, and proceeded to pass sentence on those who had been tried on the 17th.
William Watson, alias Reid, being again called to the bar, received sentence of transportation for 14 years.

Regards.
Bill
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Re: William WATSON
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 22 April 09 16:43 UTC (UK) »
Noticed in the data from Bill that John Reid was in village of Tough.
NB
Birth of a William Reid   19 DEC 1792   Tough, Aberdeen, Scotland
although parents are John Reid Elis Robertson..........  Huh?  C112444
they married 1778........ Kenmay ABD.
Wouldn't give us Watson name though.  Huh
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