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Topic: Swifts of Wolverhampton dead end?-updated, the plot thickens! (Read 2089 times)
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kneller1980
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THANK YOU!!! mothball i could kiss you  it MUST be them!!! it's regular to name your first son after the father so it more than fits in!!!
finally it's starting to unravel, looks like a trip to the shropshire archives for me doesn't it 
once more i cannot tell you how thankful i am
i still need to find my thomas swifts birth info- bilston 1851 (ish!)
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Tomlin: Shropshire Tomline:shropshire Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany. Howes: West Bromwich Stanton: West Bromwich Kimberley: Wombourne Price: Birmingham Palmer: Birmingham Mann:Staffordshire. And whatever else all my digging turns up |
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osprey
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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possible marriage?
Mary Tomline june qtr 1847 Shrewsbury vol 18 pg 259 with Thomas Swift on the same page
birth reg
Ann Swift june qtr 1848 Shrewsbury vol 18 pg 168
2 posible death regs for Thomas Swift in Wolverhampton - dec qtr 1857 & march qtr 1851
red post, but I'll go ahead because of Ann's birth reg!
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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1841 Upper Pulley, Meole Brace HO107/910/12 folio 20 pg 4
Humphrey Tomlins 30 ag lab
Lettice 45
Mary 15
Sarah 14
all born in county
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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kneller1980
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thanks osprey that's ACE!!! i'm so pleased!!!
i've just found humphry and 'lettice' tomlins on the 1841 census in condover where Mary was baptised!!!
after a whole year of banging my head and stumbling-in an hour it's all come to light!!!
you guys are AMAZING!!! thank you so much, without you all i would STILL be chasing my tail!!!
i know who to ask for help next time i get stuck
i just saw your post lol, we posted same time!
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Tomlin: Shropshire Tomline:shropshire Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany. Howes: West Bromwich Stanton: West Bromwich Kimberley: Wombourne Price: Birmingham Palmer: Birmingham Mann:Staffordshire. And whatever else all my digging turns up |
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osprey
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Humphrey Tomlins married Letitia Downton 5/5/1823 Berrington extracted IGI batch M008711
this may be a second marriage as there's a baptism of a Humphrey to Humphrey & Martha Tomlins in Condover 20/2/1803 and
Humphrey Tomlins md Martha Morris 17/5/1802 St Chad's Shrewsbury IGI batch M015752
so plenty of things to check in the archives!
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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kneller1980
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seriously you are awesome!!! i saw that a humphrey had been born to a tomlin but didn't check as i was so overwhelmed and there it is-done for me-fantastic!!! you truly are wonderful
now a question....
i have found letitia on later censuses living with her uncle, presumbly due to being a widow she is listed as FUNDHOLDER?! sooooo what's one of those then? does that mean she inherited her uncles estate? Also the former servant to her uncle had a child and on the next census they are listed as JONES and fundholders and letitias neices....so maybe, it is her uncles daughter? even tho there was a massive age gap!
or do i read tooo many genealogy books lol?!
1851 and 1861 census!
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Tomlin: Shropshire Tomline:shropshire Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany. Howes: West Bromwich Stanton: West Bromwich Kimberley: Wombourne Price: Birmingham Palmer: Birmingham Mann:Staffordshire. And whatever else all my digging turns up |
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osprey
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there are 2 Letitia Tomlins around, the one you found is unmarried.
Probable death reg
Letitia Tomlins march qtr 1848 Shrewsbury vol 18 pg 177
1851 Humphrey is in Atcham workhouse, a widower aged 75 born Condover HO107/1990 folio 133 pg 8 transcribed on Ancestry as Toinlius 
His death reg
Humphrey Tomlins june qtr 1856 Atcham vol 6a pg 399
can't see a baptism for him in the Condover batch on the IGI, but there are Tomlins + variant names families in the batch and the name Humphrey does crop up.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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kneller1980
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18 Feb 1810 Geo., a bastard child of Letitia Downton.
condover....
oh deary me!!!!
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Tomlin: Shropshire Tomline:shropshire Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany. Howes: West Bromwich Stanton: West Bromwich Kimberley: Wombourne Price: Birmingham Palmer: Birmingham Mann:Staffordshire. And whatever else all my digging turns up |
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osprey
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at the risk of sounding like a broken record, the Letitia who is a fundholder is unmarried and NOT the one who was married to Humphrey Tomlins. Possible baptism for Letitia Tomlins dau of Richard & Martha 4/7/1793 in Leebotwood IGI batch P006601
There's another one
Eliza dau of Letitia Downton bp 25/8/1816 Berrington IGI batch C008712
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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kneller1980
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awww thanks, i think i quite liked the idea of having a relative with a bit of money-yet same old mine end up in the workhouse
i've got an ancestry world subscription due to me having german heritage as well and half the stuff hasn't turned up on there BUT i have found a members tree who list Letitia Downton and her son George and it goes back on that line to 1260!!! i'm not getting my hope up until i'm a 100% sure but has anyone come across anymore letitia downtons? it seems an uncommon name.
soooo 2 children with no father listed...she was a brave women for those days! i'm going to have to hunt them down and see if i can find any info on george and eliza.
thanks
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Tomlin: Shropshire Tomline:shropshire Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany. Howes: West Bromwich Stanton: West Bromwich Kimberley: Wombourne Price: Birmingham Palmer: Birmingham Mann:Staffordshire. And whatever else all my digging turns up |
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