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Topic: Swifts of Wolverhampton dead end?-updated, the plot thickens! (Read 2199 times)
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kneller1980
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now that is interesting...PRICE???!!! so very confused now but thank you so very very very much for this information, i'll let you know how i get on.
i didn't think to look under another surname   
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Tomlin: Shropshire Tomline:shropshire Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany. Howes: West Bromwich Stanton: West Bromwich Kimberley: Wombourne Price: Birmingham Palmer: Birmingham Mann:Staffordshire. And whatever else all my digging turns up |
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Annette7
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Looks like Mary Swift and Richard Banks married Dec. qtr. 1863 Wolverhampton - ref. 6b 728.
Annette
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Scopes (One-Name Study - Worldwide) Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat London - Monk Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend. Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Annette7
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Apologies Carole - I had registered that you'd pointed out the wrong marriage but had not taken in that you'd indicated the correct one.
My only excuse is that I'd been away for the weekend, it was late and I was tired.
Annette
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Scopes (One-Name Study - Worldwide) Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat London - Monk Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend. Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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kneller1980
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thanks for all your hard work, i've sent of for Mary and Richards wedding certificate.
BUT the whole PRICE thing-though confusing seems to be looking rather likely! WHY? i do not know BUT i've searched ALL marys born in Shrewsbury/wellington/telford area AND looked them up through census and the only one it could me IS MARY SWIFT!!! (so if she married a PRICE is another thing) but the family and where they were born etc looks highly likely.
I am investigating the prices further and trying to find, if any wedding certifiate for Thomas Price(1824) to Mary Swift (c1825) i'm presuming given that their youngest child was born in Shrewsbury it maybe in that area?
and if this proves to be founded why she changed her name and childrens back to her maiden name And list as unmarried is beyond me (unless of course she was not married and lied on the census? i've come across a few of these!  )
Any help appreciated, i'm still unravelling.
i suppose i'd better order thomas price (1850) birth certificate incase it is my thomas swift.
Any one have any idea where bilston would of been under? Dudley? Wolverhampton??
thanks a lot
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Tomlin: Shropshire Tomline:shropshire Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany. Howes: West Bromwich Stanton: West Bromwich Kimberley: Wombourne Price: Birmingham Palmer: Birmingham Mann:Staffordshire. And whatever else all my digging turns up |
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Annette7
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The registration district would appear to be Wolverhampton according to 'google'.
Annette
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Scopes (One-Name Study - Worldwide) Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat London - Monk Don't walk behind me, I may not lead. Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow. Just walk beside me and be my friend. Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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kneller1980
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i thought as much...thanks for your replies on this thread, i'll update once certificates are in hand
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Tomlin: Shropshire Tomline:shropshire Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany. Howes: West Bromwich Stanton: West Bromwich Kimberley: Wombourne Price: Birmingham Palmer: Birmingham Mann:Staffordshire. And whatever else all my digging turns up |
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kneller1980
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SO Thomas Swifts birth certificate came today and it's not him  i'm gutted...i can only presume the next thing to do it get Thomas Price's birth certificate...anyone have any ideas which one it could be? there's quite a few listed for Wolverhampton.
It stated on the 1851 census he was 7 months(about!) and there isn't any for Wolverhampton 1850
there is a few for 1849...
i'm so confused and disheartened now 
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deryckjohn
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I hate it when that happens, luckily it has not happened that often on my tree:)
I can't see a good candidate for Thomas Price, there is another Thomas Price born Bradley, Bilston that is a good candidate for the Dec 1849 in Wolverhampton.
Have you posted the details from the marriage of Thomas Swift and Ann?
Deryck
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kneller1980
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Thank you so much for your help, it's been totally disheartening and i feel like i'm going round in circles
Thomas Swift (maybe price?!) Married ANN BRIGHT in dec 1870 (there are 2 thomas swifts that got married in wolverhampton in the same month-i have only just found that out as one was a boatman and that's not my thomas-i'm going to order his marriage certificate to be sure.
I can't find any information about his sister ann swift-as to who/when/where she got married.
I had been concerntrating on another branch of my tree when i came across a swift in research and all this unravellled My surname is actually SWIFT so i think it's taken me over a little bit too much-thinking i should of maybe been a Price!!! 
I'll post more as i get more info, i'm just waiting for Mary and Richard Banks wedding certificate now!
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deryckjohn
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You should always look on the BRIGHT side of life
What were the father's names and witnesses for the marriage?
By the way there is an Ann Price b1849 who appear in Huyton and Roby in 1871. Can't see what happens to her after that though.
Deryck
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kneller1980
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ohhhh the plot thickens further!!!
today i received the marriage certificate of Mary Swift and Richard Banks.
it states:
DECEMBER 14 1863.
MARY SWIFT, 34 (WIDOW!) FATHER HUMPHREY TOMBLINS (DECESEASED) LABOURER.
RICHARD BANKS 40 (WIDOWER) MINER, FATHER SAMUEL BANKS(DIED) MINER.
BOTH LIVING PORTOBELLO.
WITNESSES: JAMES GOTHRIDGE AND ROSANNA WALKER.
hmmmm so now a bit more confused, she stated on the 1861 status she was unmarried yet she's now a widow. her fathers surname is Tomblins, does this mean she married a swift? and if so WHY can i not find him ANYWHERE! Or was she born out of wedlock.
i've got a feeling it's staring me in the face but i keep looking over the same things...so i'm so used to seeing the information now, any ideas? anyone.
i'm waiting for Thomas and Ann's weddingertificate to come and then some more light will be shone on it
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Tomlin: Shropshire Tomline:shropshire Swift: Shropshire,Staffordshire Kneller: Wolverhampton,Swindon, Manchester,Germany. Howes: West Bromwich Stanton: West Bromwich Kimberley: Wombourne Price: Birmingham Palmer: Birmingham Mann:Staffordshire. And whatever else all my digging turns up |
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deryckjohn
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I would guess that the name was most likely tomlins.
There are a couple named Humpfry in Shropshire:
Could this be Ann in 1841?
Meole Brace near Shrewsbury.
Mary Evans 20
Ann Tomlins 15
Thomas Price 50
John Thomes 60
Susannah Price 45
HO107 Piece 911 Book 17 Folio 5 Page 4
All servants, the previous household is a Farm, interesting that there are Prices woking on the same farm.
Deryck
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osprey
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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possible extracted baptism in Condover, not far from Meole Brace & Shrewsbury IGI batch C008832
Mary Tomlins 2/1/1825 dau of Humphrey & Laetitia
Several Richard Banks in the IGI batch C010563 for Bilston but only one with father Samuel
Richard Banks bp 24/9/1820 son of Samuel & Mary
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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kneller1980
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osprey, thank you so very much! this seems like them both...that's great.
i don't know why i can't seem to find much information about the swift she did marry, but least i have her real surname now and i can hunt further.
thank you
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