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saxonw.
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If someone headed to South Africa in 1892 to take part in a gold rush which one would it be and how would he get from England?
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Monmouth and Glos-Witts, Bowsher
Derby Leics and Notts: Roulstone, Morley,Astle, Poxon , Bywater, Sanderson, Barnett, Fletcher
Hants- Jennings
Cornwall- Trestain, Stirrup,Gyles, Pearce, Cock
Devon- Hutchin(g)s , Griffey,Davies
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behindthefrogs
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I think that in asking "what gold rush" rather than "which gold rush" you are probably correct.
The only serious gold rush in South Africa around that period was the Witwatersand rush in 1886. As there were gold rushes in the 1890s in a number of other countries it seems rather strange that he chose South Africa.
David
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Living in Berkshire. From Northampton & Milton Keynes DETAILS OF THE FOLLOWING NAMES ARE IN SURNAME INTERESTS, LINK AT FOOT OF PAGE Wilson, Higgs, Buswell, PARCELL, Matthews, TAMKIN, Seckington, Pates, Coupland, Webb, Arthur, MAYNARD, Caves, Norman, Winch, Culverhouse, Drakeley. Johnson, Routledge, SHIRT, SAICH, Mills, SAUNDERS, EDLIN, Perry, Vickers, Pakeman, Griffiths, Marston, Turner, Child, Sheen, Gray, Woolhouse Census Info is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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saxonw.
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Thank you for that. There do however seem to be a number of miners heading out there. Where my two are and what happened to them we shall probably never know.
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Warks -Blundell, Stagg,Guest,Jennings
Ireland -Guest , Connor, Nowlan/Nolan,Hemming
Norfolk-Stagg
Cardigan-Jones
Glamorgan- David
Monmouth and Glos-Witts, Bowsher
Derby Leics and Notts: Roulstone, Morley,Astle, Poxon , Bywater, Sanderson, Barnett, Fletcher
Hants- Jennings
Cornwall- Trestain, Stirrup,Gyles, Pearce, Cock
Devon- Hutchin(g)s , Griffey,Davies
Middlesex- Stirrup
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Danchaslyn
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Hi saxonw
The Pilgrim's Rest gold rush, which started round about 1873, was earlier than the Witwatersrand gold rush of 1886, which started the city of Johannesburg. There was even goldmining in Knysna in the Southern Cape! 
Pilgrim's Rest, in the Eastern Transvaal would still have been going when your two headed out to South Africa. They could also have moved around, the different gold rushes and also possibly the diamond fields. There were fortunes to be made for many years. 
If leaving from the UK, they were most likely to have gone by ship, either from London, Liverpool, or Glasgow, so if someone could look up the shipping lists for you, from the UK - SA, c 1892, that would be helpful to you. 
Do you know from where they might have left in the UK? 
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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saxonw.
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Thanks for that. I have access to all passenger lists that are on line andI haven't found them yet. Why do I regard them as the pits? Because they walked out of the UK and left their wives and several children each (two brothers that is ) in abject penury as if it wasn't their problem.
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Warks -Blundell, Stagg,Guest,Jennings
Ireland -Guest , Connor, Nowlan/Nolan,Hemming
Norfolk-Stagg
Cardigan-Jones
Glamorgan- David
Monmouth and Glos-Witts, Bowsher
Derby Leics and Notts: Roulstone, Morley,Astle, Poxon , Bywater, Sanderson, Barnett, Fletcher
Hants- Jennings
Cornwall- Trestain, Stirrup,Gyles, Pearce, Cock
Devon- Hutchin(g)s , Griffey,Davies
Middlesex- Stirrup
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Danchaslyn
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Hi saxonw
You've given your own answer probably as to why they left....................like so many thousands of others, they went to seek their fortune, hopefully to return to their home countries and raise their spouses and families, out of poverty.
Poverty forced them to leave in the first place. Maybe they died, in whatever circumstances and weren't able to return as planned? Its been the same the world over, wherever man has opportunities to make a quick buck, not so?
Remember, communications for the poor were almost non existent and in Africa, at that time, almost impossible to get word home. Life was cheap, on whatever mine they were at! 
Do you think you can't find them on the passenger lists because either they weren't listed in steerage, or perhaps they worked their passages, as crew?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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saxonw.
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Well I'm sure they wouldn't have enough money to be Mr in the cabins and saloons: I've been through all those anyway. It's not a common surname not in the Smith/Jones/Brown category anyway and one has a really posh and unusual first name. Not really suitable for a labourer. but I'm working through the manifests for the correct period of time. I've done the same for the States/ Canada and even looking at any one boat departing the UK and arriving on the Eastern Coast of the American continent some ten days later (1) the North Americans are less class conscious-Mr Blenkinsop is not just a "gent" and adult male Married/unmarried but is Albert Blenkinsop aged 32 a merchant heading for a protracted stay with his brother Charles in New York ( I made that all up but you get the idea). and (3) there are an awful lot more people who get off the boat than get on it. (Schodinger might have a word for it)
I came across a manifest for the Scot leaving Southampton on 1st October 1892 after listing all the passengers the last entry before the total was added up was:-
Other places - -9- . And so suddenly another 9 adult Englishmen were added onto the manifest. Presumably to get the totals right. And no names are given.
I'm almost tempted to claim two of them as mine. But unless and until South Africa publish such info (if they have it) we are all going to be lost if you are sufficiently unlucky to be looking for one of those 9
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« Last Edit: Friday 24 April 09 06:58 UTC (UK) by saxonw. »
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Warks -Blundell, Stagg,Guest,Jennings
Ireland -Guest , Connor, Nowlan/Nolan,Hemming
Norfolk-Stagg
Cardigan-Jones
Glamorgan- David
Monmouth and Glos-Witts, Bowsher
Derby Leics and Notts: Roulstone, Morley,Astle, Poxon , Bywater, Sanderson, Barnett, Fletcher
Hants- Jennings
Cornwall- Trestain, Stirrup,Gyles, Pearce, Cock
Devon- Hutchin(g)s , Griffey,Davies
Middlesex- Stirrup
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Danchaslyn
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Hi saxonw
You certainly have your time cut out.............searching the shipping lists is one helluva job!  Especially, as you say, being poor they probably wouldn't have had the money to be in cabins and saloons!
It is a very sad reflection that not all passengers were listed............as we said before, life was cheap, anywhere, in particular when you were a 'nobody'. 
They can't just disappear, especially as there were two of them..........maybe a new line of search is needed, as the passenger lists are so diabolical? 
How about posting their names in a new Topic in SA, a general enquiry, see if a RootsChatter picks up on it?
Yesterday, later on I was searching a few shipping lists myself and the horrible thought crossed my mind, when I came across listed shipwrecks, to and fro SA, that perhaps either on the way out to SA, or possibly, if and when they were returning, their ship may have sunk?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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saxonw.
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Posts: 375
So many honest folk but it's the liars and cheats
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Thanks very much. I still don;t know if they went together or followed each other or in fact went in completely different ways. These two I think I've put many times onto various searches on Rootschat evry country that I can think of they the could have emigrated to : Their cousins and brother are in Pennsylvania, One's children all ended up in Canada the other ones split between England and Australia. And A contemporary account (or nearly anyway ) places the rumour that oneabandoned his family in 1892 and went to South Africa: but that was what his wife thought anyway. He could have of course just gone down the road and changed his name. But I'm thinking the missing names on manifests are far more likely. Just my luck. They haven't turned up in South African record that I can see (I've been right through NAAIRS. I've even bought a death notification but that's not him.
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Warks -Blundell, Stagg,Guest,Jennings
Ireland -Guest , Connor, Nowlan/Nolan,Hemming
Norfolk-Stagg
Cardigan-Jones
Glamorgan- David
Monmouth and Glos-Witts, Bowsher
Derby Leics and Notts: Roulstone, Morley,Astle, Poxon , Bywater, Sanderson, Barnett, Fletcher
Hants- Jennings
Cornwall- Trestain, Stirrup,Gyles, Pearce, Cock
Devon- Hutchin(g)s , Griffey,Davies
Middlesex- Stirrup
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Danchaslyn
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Hi saxonw
What a mystery......................you won't believe it, if one day, someone stumbles across, one, or both of them, on records somewhere 
With living family, so close as well, you would think sometime, somewhere, something will turn up??!!
Goodness, what a search you would have had through NAAIRS and please tell me, how long these days, does it take to get a death certificate/notification from them please?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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saxonw.
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Posts: 375
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Well I can't trace it up it was about 18 months ago( these two have been irritating me for about 3 years) but if I remember it was about 6 weeks, But it looked like the right death notification but it wasn't. And the evidence on it was such that I knew it wasn't made up but it was not the wastrel I was looking for.
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Warks -Blundell, Stagg,Guest,Jennings
Ireland -Guest , Connor, Nowlan/Nolan,Hemming
Norfolk-Stagg
Cardigan-Jones
Glamorgan- David
Monmouth and Glos-Witts, Bowsher
Derby Leics and Notts: Roulstone, Morley,Astle, Poxon , Bywater, Sanderson, Barnett, Fletcher
Hants- Jennings
Cornwall- Trestain, Stirrup,Gyles, Pearce, Cock
Devon- Hutchin(g)s , Griffey,Davies
Middlesex- Stirrup
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Danchaslyn
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What a waste, saxonw getting the wrong certificate for the "Wastrels".
I'm going to cross fingers for you and look forward to hearing good news.
Are you any good on lookups, especially for Scotland? I'm in a new post there, Grace Aitken, b. Tennant, Edinburgh, in Scotland, Midlothian section, my G Grandmother?
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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saxonw.
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Posts: 375
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I'm good for look up for Scotland fine as long as its census not Scotland's people (ie BMD) no Scots (too many Irish in my family and a Welsh husband) but the real problem is a set of English peasants.So I'll see if I can add my tuppenceworth
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Warks -Blundell, Stagg,Guest,Jennings
Ireland -Guest , Connor, Nowlan/Nolan,Hemming
Norfolk-Stagg
Cardigan-Jones
Glamorgan- David
Monmouth and Glos-Witts, Bowsher
Derby Leics and Notts: Roulstone, Morley,Astle, Poxon , Bywater, Sanderson, Barnett, Fletcher
Hants- Jennings
Cornwall- Trestain, Stirrup,Gyles, Pearce, Cock
Devon- Hutchin(g)s , Griffey,Davies
Middlesex- Stirrup
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Danchaslyn
RootsChat Veteran
Posts: 596
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Saxonw
Thats great, thank you very much................
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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MOE, Norway, Swaziland, and Zululand, South Africa
JORGENSON, Hole, Ringerike, Buskurud, Norway
AITKEN, Scotland, England, India, Island of St Helena, South Africa
LOBB, India and London
WALSH, India and England
SHORT, Yorkshire, England, Island of St Helena
BATEMAN, Island of St Helena, U.S.A.
YUILL, U.S.A.
FIRTH, Yorkshire, Engand
LIPTROT, various counties of England
SMITH, various counties of England
LYNCH, Yorkshire, England, Rhodesia and South Africa
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