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barnsleylad4949
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Family name: Denvers
« on: Thursday 23 April 09 01:33 UTC (UK) »
Trying to find any additional information on Wally Denvers married Dec 1908 to Martha Brown, Nottingham.  Martha was my G-Grandmother from Barnsley and this was her second marriage.  She died in October 1911 back in Barnsley.  Interested to see if they show up anywhere on the 1911 Census ( I couldn't find anything) in particular in she had any children (she was only 31 when she died) with Denvers.  Thanks for anything you may be able to provide.
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Re: Family name: Denvers
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 April 09 09:56 UTC (UK) »
Hello….. Smiley

I haven’t full access to the 1911 to give you any extra details but at a guess I think your couple are on the 1911 and the name has been given as – DENVERES and they are in the Chorlton district of Lancashire…..Martha born about 1882 and Wally born about 1880.
They are the only people on the 1911 with that name spelling and the only Martha that appears with someone named Wally with a name close to Denv*
I hope it helps a little….. Smiley

Kind regards
Sheila.
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Baxter, Ashby de la Zouch.
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Re: Family name: Denvers
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 23 April 09 11:59 UTC (UK) »
Sheila:

Thank you very much.  I will certainly check that out.
Rich
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Re: Family name: Denvers
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 April 09 14:07 UTC (UK) »
This is beginning to read like a Catherine Cookson novel!!  I went on to the 1911 Census and found Denver(e)s.  I wasn't 100% sure that this was the Martha Denvers (nee Howarth) at first but I gave it a shot and purchased the transcript.  It showed her being married for 10 years and having 3 children.  I wondered about the 10 years as she was married to John Ambrose Brown prior to his 1907 passing.  Then I scrolled down the list and found a William Henry Howarth aged 43 living at the same boarding house.  This was Martha's oldest brother so it must be her.  It appears Wally Denver(es) was the Proprietor of a Music Hall in Manchester at the time (William Howarth and some other lodgers are listed as "Music Hall Artiste").  Martha died back in Barnsley early Oct 1911.  She returned to be with her family.  We had always heard that she died at her sister's (Emma Wadsworth) pub, the Gardner's Arms.  The "Barnsley Streets" book has the Gardner's Arms listed on Castleraugh Street so that didn't fit.  Martha's death was listed at 18 Nelson Street, Barnsley.  I went back to the 1911 Census and looked up 18 Nelson street, and founf that it was in fact the Gardner's Arms and the Wadsworth's are listed as proprietors.  So the last piece of the puzzle has been completed.  The story in the family goes that her husband, Wally Denvers showed up at the Gardner's Arms one night with a shotgun demanding the return of his wife.  It is apparent that they had a falling out as she not only returned to die there, but was buried in the family plot alongside her first husband John Ambrose Brown, under the name Martha Brown.  One last footnote, I did some checking on Wally Denvers - I couldn't find any death record for him (nor do I really care to be honest) BUT I did find a Military record - he deserted in 1918. 
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Re: Family name: Denvers
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 April 09 16:19 UTC (UK) »
Hello Rich,

I am pleased the 1911 turned out to be your Gt Grandmother and good detective work on your part.
It is an amazing story by the way and thank you for sharing it. Wally seems to have been quite a character doesn’t he? There doesn’t seem to be a birth on the Freebmd for him…unless it hasn’t been transcribed yet but I did wonder if Wally was his given name when he was registered and maybe that’s why you didn’t find a death for him either?

Sheila.
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Re: Family name: Denvers
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 April 09 16:43 UTC (UK) »
I wonder if Wally was a given name.  On the 1911 Census is shows his birthplace as Pontypool, South Wales.  I tried and nothing.  It does look like there were a lot of Danvers in that area so it could be a spelling issue.  Although the Military record seems to fit.  The family rumor has always been that he was a bad character and took all Martha's money (they were all set up with pubs by her father and quite well off).  My mum said her father (Joseph Brown my Grandad) didn't like to talk about it at all.  All he would say is he remembers sitting on orange boxes at one point in his life.  I suspect this Denvers chap was trying to keep a low profile.
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