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Topic: Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh (Read 2555 times)
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Danchaslyn
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Hi merryhow
Thanks for that, Val.........so, it still stands, but in another location. 
What do you think a Confectioner, in a hospital, would have done? 
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Danchaslyn
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Danchaslyn
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Hi All
I've only just noticed that John Aitken had, as we now know, three children to his first wife, Janet Bain, and one of their sons is called John. 
Then, with his second wife, Grace Aitken, nee Tennant, he has four children, and, wait for it, one of them is called, John!!!!!
Father, John Aitken, third child of first marriage, John Aitken, and first child of second marriage, John Aitken. 
Two half brothers, both John Aitken !!!!  And, born only FOUR YEARS APART ! 
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Danchaslyn
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Akwaba
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Finally for me at this time - details of the death registration. Liddell is my quess.
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Danchaslyn
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Hi akwaaba
Again, thank you very much for the info, glad to have Margaret Tennant details.
Also, the link to Royal Infirmary, really fascinating...............but, please tell me, would a confectioner ice cakes, make desserts, make sweets, that is what I imagine, but, in a hospital, and especially that sort of hospital.
Or would he have catered for the surgeons, visiting dignitaries etc?
When the internet isn't so slow, I'll get into the census site, and again, thank you very much for that, I'll look forward to it.
Also, for the death registration, Liddel it certainly looks like....
Cheers
Danchaslyn
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Danchaslyn
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Hi akwaaba
Again, thank you, thank you and its so special to be able to see the original entries! 
So, to recap and be sure I understand correctly, Grace Tennant's Dad, was a Cowfeeder, who later became a Confectioner? And at Royal Infirmary, he lived, but didn't work as a Confectioner, or could have been a patient there?
As you say the Dundee one is a possible..........................? but maybe not?
I'm still transfixed by the poorhouse connection! Why usually would it be, that a father and very young daughter live in a poorhouse, and sisters and mother, might live elsewhere?
Later on, when Grace is a Seamstress and living in the Manse, would this have been because the Vicar or vicar's wife took a shine to her, and offered her a position in their household? it seems that at 29 (thanks to Mamakaz for this) she's still living in the Manse and I haven't worked it out yet, marries John Aitken later?
To marry someone who grew up in a poorhouse, would that have been a 'shame'? So, John Aitken, as a "Sawyer", marries Grace, now a Seamstress living in the Manse, would this have been an equal standing in the social scale, marriage?
Later in life, Grace Aitken is a Draper and her daughter Elizabeth is also.
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Danchaslyn
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Danchaslyn
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Oh, I've had a moment to reflect, and realise the following:-
As John Aitken, a widower, b. 'about 1826' (Can anyone please give me his exact birthdate?), married Grace Tennant, b.1831, Edinburgh, a Draper on 19/8/1867, he was 41, it was his second marriage, and for her, age 36, it was her first marriage. 
Now I realise, that their first three children were illegitimate, namely John Aitken, b.13/5/1861, Robert, b.11/5/1863, and Elizabeth, b.3/8/1865.
Only the last two children, Thomas, b.4/41871 and Richard, b.12/5/1874, are legitimate.
So, at age 29, she's living in the Manse, a Seamstress, and a year later, by 1861 she's given birth to John Aitken, the first of their five children! And, she and John Aitken Snr, marry only six years later! Why?
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Danchaslyn
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Danchaslyn
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Hi
Can anyone please tell me if John and Grace Aitken of West Linton, together brought up his three sons, from his first marriage, namely William Aitken, b.Penicuik, 31/10/1852, Archibald Aitken, b. Penicuik, 19/2/1855 and John Aitken, b.Penicuik, 8/3/1857, together, with their subsequent five children?
Also, any subsequent history on William, Archibald, and John, ....John Aitken snr's sons from his first marriage to Janet Bain?
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Danchaslyn
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Akwaba
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Old mother died in 1876
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saxonw.
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That's very interesting the social mix of the road: you wouldn't get that in England. Back to what I said a little earlier dressmaker was often a euphemism for the oldest trade. A Not saying that is correct But history does have some ladies who were exceedingly successful but dressmakers who made dresses were exceedingly poor and usuallly tended to work in families or areas where there were many of them:often attached to dressshops. The odd thing is the boys names: I would ahv expected them to have her name when born if Mr Aitken doesn't turn up until later and although they may well be known as Aitken I would be surprised if that was the name when they were born. Have you checked any of the certificates?
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Danchaslyn
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Hi akwaaba
Absolutely mind boggling.......................but, again, thank you very, very much for all your hard work, time and trouble.
What a lot of brain cells this is going to take to unravel...............mind you, jumping way ahead, I think John and Grace Aitken, Grace as a Draper, and her daughter, Elizabeth, a Draper also, end up at 9 Deansfoot Road, West Linton, Peeble-Shire, Scotland. (thanks to previous info from fellow Rootschatters), in my Aitken, Peebles Topic
I found on the www a bookshop at 9 Deansfoot Road, West Linton, currently, and Mrs A and margmo1 of Rootschat have given great assistance with localities. Could the Manse have been next door, or very, very close by? Perhaps the United Presbyterian Church is still in West Linton to-day?
Grace's fourth child, and third son Thomas, became a Reverend, and his eldest son, Douglas Aitken, b. St Helena, became a medical doctor, and founder of a Presbyterian mission hospital, way in the bush, in South Africa. Adds up, don't you think?
Think you are absolutely right with the 1861 family, W Linton.
Thanks again
Danchaslyn
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Danchaslyn
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Hi saxonw
You've just confirmed what I thought you meant yesterday, bout some dress shop ladies, I thought that is what you meant, but wasn't sure!!!!
This searching is proving to be very difficult to fathom, and to follow, for pea brains like myself!!!
Please, please help me out.......I'm lost....
Cheers in confusion
Danchaslyn
P.S. - please, how about some simpler answers to simple questions, i.e John Aitken Snr's actual, full birthday???
Kidding!!
No, would love his birth date and all the rest, as confusing and colourful as it is!!!!!
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KirstyG
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It might be a good idea for someone who has been participating in this thread to summarise (without violating copyright ) What has been found so far and confirmed by documents to help anyone else who may wish to follow this family in future or help out just now. The copyright editor has just made it unreadable unfortunately...
Kirsty
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KirstyG
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West Linton is now a conservation village and is pretty much as it was 100 years ago, so any addresses may well still be there.
http://www.west-linton.org.uk/
http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/204240/details/west+linton+former+united+presbyterian+church+manse/
http://www.scran.ac.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-000-495-041-C
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Danchaslyn
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KirstyG
Thanks for your support and your two postings.......................how lovely to hear that West Linton is as it is to-day and thank you for the links, much appreciated.
I'm completely confused by the deletions, as nothing that was posted by any of the participants was in any way different, as I said, to whatever I've seen, anywhere, all over RootsChat.
As you said, what is left, you cannot work with, and I for one, have lost out completely, as I don't know, and now can't find, or follow up on anything, that was so helpfully posted by others.
Just when I thought we were getting somewhere! 
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