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Templar75
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I am looking to where my great grandfather may have come from, he was Archibald Young and was married to Elizabeth Coutts, I was told he played for the Heart of Midlothian Football Club so he must have been local, the Club historian would not help as he needed to know where he came from and the date of birth, my father said that he was an unamed player in some of the team photos.
My grand father was George Young born around 1891, as far as I know they were both Miners, my grand father married Elizabeth McDaid in 1914 at Newcraighall where he was a Miner and he died around 1939/40.
Unfortunately the older ones never spoke much of the past which is a great pity, Archibald Young would have still been alive I think when his son George was married.
Any help with this would be most appreciated.
Archie.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Archie
This looks a likely entry for the family on the 1901 Census - everyone showing as born in Lasswade except for Lizzie mother:
Archibald S Young 38 coal miner
Lizzie Young 37 b. Dalkeith, Midloth
James Young 18 coal miner
Annie Young 14
Nellie Young 12
George Young 10
Jessie Young 7
Bella Young 5
Robert Young 3
Address: 13 First Avenue, Newcraighall, Liberton Midlothian
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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daval57
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Archibald married Elizabeth in Lasswade in 1882 (source ScotlandsPeople - http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk )
If you get that image, it will show you his parents and age at marriage (as well as Elizabeth's).
From there, you should be able to track down his birth records either on IGI or SP).
This might be him on 1891 census
Archibald T Young 29 Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth C
Where born: Loanhead, Midlothian
Address: 16 Ramsay Sq (Back)
Occupation: Coal Miner
Household Members:
Name Age
Archibald T Young 29
Elizabeth C Young 27
James Young 8
Annie B Young 4
Nelly W Young 2
George C Young 6 Mo
Source Citation: Parish: Lasswade; ED: 10; Page: 25; Line: 9
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MonicaLesl
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That fits well Dave
Likely entry on IGI for his birth, would fit with children's names:
ARCHIBALD TAIT YOUNG Birth: 22 APR 1862 Lasswade
Parents:JAMES YOUNG and HELEN WOOD
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Templar75
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Thank you all very much for the information on Archibald Young this is fantastic, I have been busy helping everybody else seeking their family that I have never had time to seek my own, I often wondered where the Wood side of the family came in, now I know.
Monica and and Dave, once again thank you all very much for your efforts in helping me it is greatly appreciated I wish I could by you both a drink or two.
Monica and and Dave
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daval57
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I'll help you save for those drinks Archie.
Have a look here..... http://www.rootschat.com/links/059y/
Dave
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------------------- FORREST (Glasgow, Stirlingshire, Dunbartonshire) BORTHWICK (Midlothian) ROONEY (Glasgow and Co Down, Co Antrim) ANDERSON (Moray, Caithness, Glasgow) FORTUNE (East Lothian) BARKER (Midlothian / East Lothian) SIVES / SIBBES and variations (East Lothian) ROCHEAD /ROCHEID and variations (Dunbartonshire) OR VISIT MY SITE FOR MORE NAMES http://daval57.tribalpages.com/ |
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Templar75
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Hi Dave, thanks a lot for that, I will try tomorrow as I am off to bed, I still owe you those drinks.
Night night
Best.
Archie.
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Woodsd
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Archie
I came across your query quite by chance. Long story, but a friend of my wife contacted me during the week to ask if I had in my family tree a Helen Wood who had married a James Young in Lasswade in 1846. Firstly, my surname is Woods and not Wood, and secondly I have no family connections to Midlothian. However, I recognised the names from the family tree of my ex-wife. I then did a general search which brought up your query.
So it turns out that my wife's friend is the fourth cousin of my ex-wife. My wife's friend is descended from James Young who was the brother of your grandfather (Archibald Tait Young and Elizabeth Coutts are her great-great-grandparents). My ex-wife is descended from Jemima Young who was a sister of Archibald Tait Young. Unfortunately, all this makes you the third-cousin of my former mother-in-law, so I don't know why I am even communicating with you.
I have copied below details from some birth, marriage and death certificates as well as OPRs. In a minute, I will try to copy some census returns too (space restriction on these message). Hopefully this information will help with your reseach.
Good luck
David
BIRTHS
Jemima Young
born 19 August 1855 at 8.30 am at Loanhead
mother's fifth child; 3 girls & 1 boy living
father: James Young (coalminer) aged 27 years born Ormiston
mother: Helen Young ms Wood aged 28 years born Tranent
married: Loanhead 1846
registered by father
James Young
born 5 September 1827, Ormiston (OPR)
James son of Robert Young and Mary Tait his wife was born at North Mains on 5 and baptised 30 September 1827
Mary Tait
born 10 October 1783, Yester (OPR)
Archibald Tait and his spouse Margaret Blair in Townhead had a daughter born and baptised 26th Do in presence of the congregation named Mary
William Tait
born 24 November 1780, Salton (OPR)
Archd Tait and Margaret Blair in Blind Wells had a son named William born 24th November and baptised 3rd December
witnesses: Andrew Bathgate & James Bathgate in Blance Burn
MARRIAGES
Alexander Moir & Jemima Young
married 13 March 1874 at Haywood, Parish of Carnwath
Alexander Moir (coal miner) bachelor aged 24 years of Haywood
father: James Moir (labourer) deceased
mother: Lilias Moir ms Smith, deceased
Jemima Young (papermill worker) spinster aged 20 years
father: James Young (coalminer)
mother: Helen Young ms Wood, deceased
Jemima Young made mark witnessed by Robert Young & John Nailor
witnesses: John Joyce & Mary Watson
James Young & Helen Wood
married 2 May 1846, Lasswade (OPR)
which day James Young, paper maker, Kevock Mill, and Helen Wood both in this parish gave in their names for proclamation in order to marriage. 3 days.
Archibald Tait & Margaret Blair
married 11 July 1777, Saltoun (OPR)
Archibald Tait and Margaret Blair both in this parish gave up their names in order to mariage, cautioner for the bridgeroom Robert Tait, cautioner for the bride John Hume
DEATHS
Helen Wood
died 21 January 1873 at 6.45 am at Loanhead
aged 48 years
wife of James Young (miner)
cause: chronic bronchitis 2 years, acute one
father: William Wood (miner) deceased
mother: no details
registered by husband
James Young
died 14 September 1892 at 2.50 pm at Wester Melville, Lasswade
aged 65 years (coaminer)
married: 1) Helen Wood; 2) Catherine White; 3) Jessie Wilson
cause: bronchial asthma 3 mths, hypertrophy dilatation of heart 2 months 8 days
father: Robert Young (ploughman) deceased
mother: Mary Young ms Tait, deceased
Mary Tait
died 17 July 1864 at 7 pm at Loanhead
aged 80 years
wife of Robert Young (farm servant)
cause: old age
father: [not given] Tait (farm servant) deceased
mother: Margaret Tait ms Blair, deceased
registered by William Young (son)
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Woodsd
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CENSUS RETURNS
1841 CENSUS, LASSWADE
Loanhead (district 6)
Robert Young 45 years agricultural labourer N
Mary Young 45 years N
James Young 14 years N
Jean Tait 60 years N
Robert Young 3 years Y
1851 CENSUS, LASSWADE
86 Main Street West, Loanhead (district 8, entry 97)
Robert Young head M 60 years labourer (NK) Ormiston
Mary Young wife M 62 years Gifford haugh
James Young son U 28 years labourer (NK) Ormiston
Helen Young wife M 25 years Newbattle
Robert Young son 2 years Lasswade
Janet Young dau 1 year Lasswade
1861 CENSUS, LASSWADE
East End, Loanhead (going towards Fountain)
James Young head M 33 years fireman at paper mill Tranent
Hellen Young wife M 33 years worker at paper mill Tranent
Robert Young son 12 years worker at paper mill Lasswade
Janet Young dau 11 years message girl Lasswade
Mary Young dau 9 years Lasswade
Jane Young dau 7 years scholar Lasswade
Jamima Young dau 5 years scholar Lasswade
Hellen Young dau 3 years Lasswade
William Young son 1 year Lasswade
Mary Tait widow W 75 years Gifford
(2 rooms with one window or more)
1871 CENSUS, LASSWADE
North Side of Loanhead - possibly Linden Cottages (district 7, entry 133)
James Young head M 42 years coal miner Loanhead
Helen Young wife M 44 years millworker Loanhead
Janet Young dau U 21 years millworker Loanhead
Jane Young dau U 17 years millworker Loanhead
Jemima Young dau U 15 years millworker Loanhead
Helen Young dau U 13 years scholar Loanhead
William Young son 11 years scholar Loanhead
Archibald Young son 1 (?) year scholar Loanhead
James Young son 6 years scholar Loanhead
Julia Young dau 7 years Loanhead
(2 rooms with one window or more) - Census records not written accurately or neatly
1881 CENSUS, LASSWADE
20 The Loan, Loanhead (district 6, entry 52)
Alexander Moir head M 30 years coal miner Lasswade
Jemima Y Moir wife M 26 years Lasswade
James Moir son 4 years Lasswade
David Moir son 2 years Lasswade
Archibald Young bro/l 18 years coal miner Lasswade
Lily Young dau 4 mths Lasswade
Julia Young sis/l 13 years scholar Lasswade
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Templar75
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Hi David,
thanks a lot for this it is fantastic, by the way I love your sense of humour.
I can remember the Woods or Wood family from Portobello I think one was called Mary Wood or Woods who lived I think in Kings Road Portobello, I was about 8 years old when I met her( 1953 ), my dads cousin was a Robert Wood or Woods, he had a son called Robert and a daughter called Margaret, other than that I will need to find out more.
My dads cousin is still alive and he is aged 92 and lives in Portobello, his side was McDaid, that was from my grandmothers family. Archibald Tait Young is my great grandfather, George Young was my grandfather, when he was married at the Manse in Newcraighall on the 27th March 1914, his address at that time, I have just found out was 25 Second Avenue Newcraighall.
The witnesses were James Young and Bella Young, when it comes to the parents names it has Archibald Young there is no " T " for Tait and Elizabeth Young ( Coutts ) which tells me that they were both alive at the time of his marriage
My grandmother was Roman Catholic and George was Protestant, this I felt in those days was taboo, eventually they were given a blessing in St, Johns Chapel in Portobello in 1927, I had the hunch that there were more Young's but was never told anything.
My dads family consisted of, Archibald ( My dad ) Hugh, Jean, Isabella and George, all born at 15 Pipe Street Portobello, my grandmother stated one time that she had lost a child named Robert. As stated above George ( Granddad ) worked I think at the Woolmet Pit, Elizabeth McDaid ( Grandmother ) worked at Buchans Pottery works at Portobello.
Once again thanks for the well detailed information David.
Best regards.
Archie.
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Woodsd
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Archie
You are welcome to the information. Glad to be of help. The more good that comes out of my failed first marriage the better! As well as an ex-wife and fearful ex-mother-in-law, I have an estranged daughter. At least I have been able to divorce the ex-wife and ex-mother-in-law. You have the pleasure of being related to all of them!
From my wife's friend, I believe that Archibald Tait Young was born in Loanhead on 22 April 1862, and died in Newington on 9 September 1940. He married Elizabeth Coutts on 6 October 1882. Elizabeth Coutts was born about 1864 and died after 1919
Archibald Tait Young's siblings were William born 2 November 1859 at Lasswade, Helen born 30 May 1857 at Lasswade, Jemima born 18 August 1855 at Lasswade, Jane born 1841 in Edinburgh, Mary born 1852, Janet born 1850 in Edinburgh, and Robert born 1849 in Edinburgh, Julia born 1 September 1868 at Lasswade, unknown female born 21 September 1866 at Lasswade, and James born 1 April 1864 at Lasswade.
Archibald Tait Young's children included Robert born 1898, Bella born 1896, Jessie born 1894, George Coutts Young born 1891 and died 1939, Nelly W born 1899, Annie B born 1887 and James born about 1885 (great-grandfather of my current wife's friend). This information is probably taken from the census returns, which I think you already have.
After Elizabeth Coutts, Archibald Tait Young's second wife was Nettie Wheelan.
As for religion, lots of catholics and protestants seem to have inter-married, even then. More often than we realise, common sense (or sexual attraction) overtook false loyalty to churches.
I am no connection at all to the Wood or Woods families that you mention. My family hail from Ireland, but originally from England. Unfortunately, we were one of the English families that moved to Ireland for cheap land and to dominate the natives.
Strange though that you mention Pipe Street, Portobello. My step-son's family lived in Pipe Street. He is descended from a family called Robertson who lived at 37 Pipe Street & 44 Pipe Street, and a family called Denholm living at 41 Pipe Street. These families are recorded there around 1910 and 1930, and the occupations include glass blowers and pottery workers. Perhaps these folks would at least have been on nodding terms with your people.
Regards
David
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daval57
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Archie
As well as an ex-wife and fearful ex-mother-in-law, I have an estranged daughter. At least I have been able to divorce the ex-wife and ex-mother-in-law. You have the pleasure of being related to all of them!
OUCH!
It gets better David.
Or at least, it did for me.
Dave
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------------------- FORREST (Glasgow, Stirlingshire, Dunbartonshire) BORTHWICK (Midlothian) ROONEY (Glasgow and Co Down, Co Antrim) ANDERSON (Moray, Caithness, Glasgow) FORTUNE (East Lothian) BARKER (Midlothian / East Lothian) SIVES / SIBBES and variations (East Lothian) ROCHEAD /ROCHEID and variations (Dunbartonshire) OR VISIT MY SITE FOR MORE NAMES http://daval57.tribalpages.com/ |
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Templar75
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Hi David,
my commiserations on your past marriage or should I say congratulations, anyway, I am over the moon with all the information you have given me, you will never know how it means to me, it's a shame that some people wicked streaks in them, it's better to part than live a life of hell.
I am glad to see you are better off with your present good Lady.
If I get more on the Wood or Woods family in Portobello do you want it ?.
Best.
Archie.
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Woodsd
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Archie
You are very welcome to the information.
No thanks re offer about Wood/Woods family in Portobello. Definitely no connection to me.
Good luck with the continuing research.
David
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Templar75
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Hi David,
I failed to reply about Pipe street, number 15 was near the top so 37 & 44 must have been down at the Potteries end, my dad worked at the BottleWorks ( Glass Works ) from 1930 until 1968, originally Woods Bottle Works and Coopers Bottle Works, Woods married into the Cooper family and after a split started next door to Coopers, Woods then bought over Coopers and held it till just before the second world war.
United Glass then purchased the company, my dad became a Production Manager and I served my apprenticeship there as a Maintenance Engineer from 1962 till we were made redundant in 1967.
My grandmother ( McDaid ) as stated worked at the Pottery and her father Hugh McDaid was a Fireman there, I think Fireman meant he looked after the Boiler or Furnace and probably a Stoker.
So I think yes definitely David they all knew each other as neighbours and as workmates, strange enough, I remember him mentioning the Robertson family once when he told me of his life in Pipe Street.
Take care David
Best.
Archie.
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