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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 02 May 09 14:25 UTC (UK) »

Hi Bob

I think you have the right place, and I think at least some, if not all of Backhouse('s) Walk may still be there.  I can't tell if you can get out at both ends though.

I've had a good luck at what I've got on old maps and the pretty recent street map.  This little area always fascinates me, and when you look at the civil engineering in that little area it's quite amazing - in fact who needs the pyramids?

I was reading one bit that said that the city centre and Court Square were reached from Denton Holme by Borough Street and that eventually it had to be reached by a tunnel.

Looking at today's street map:

  • If you go down towards Viaduct Estate you can go under the railway, and turn left to the car park or right to the station.

    The end of the car park is only just to your left, so in fact the road to the right is English Damside until you come to where you go under the viaduct.

    Hadn't thought about that being where I was before, but from that point on is still Borough Street, up to Court Square.

    I've noticed before though:

    Going back to the turning from Viaduct Estate Road, under the railway, almost as soon as you turn right, there is a steep lane joining on the left. 

    It looks to go a little way up the hill and then turn right at right angles, and run along to join  Caldew Brow.

    Can't think where though.  There is a side door to one of those furniture shops, or maybe it goes into a hotel yard and car park as well as the club?   Must explore some time quieter than today! 

    So if the school was between Backhouses Walk and West Walls it looks as if it's back door would have been on Backhouse's walk.  I wonder if it's one on those old buildings?
      Photo's coming up!
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I think you were right with your loop!

Think I'll start a new post before every one turns dizzy or gaga!

Have a nice Bank Holiday everyone!


Emms

PS Given up on the bullet points!  Any ideas gratefully received!
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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 02 May 09 14:35 UTC (UK) »

Backhouses Walk still exists!  I was down doing the shopping at the wine and whisky merchants under the arches and asked if I could leave the car there for 2 minutes whilst I investigated the road between Damside and the viaduct. As they are comparitive newcomers from London, he pulled a map from his drawer and there it was! It's the continuation of the ziggy zaggy route down from next to "Woolworths" and runs under Nelson Bridge.
Emms - you have just stirred some old memories of Little and Ballentynes as well- Seedsmen to the empire. When we moved up behind the art college, you could still walk the dog through the old nurseries and see the beds laid out. Narurally they have built over it now but there is still a nature walk through the woods with the trees labeled including a couple of Giant Redwood trees.
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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 02 May 09 14:49 UTC (UK) »

Excellent! 

So where I thought it looked as if the road came to a stop on my map, it actually also goes under the viaduct!

So that will be the secod steep lane joining on the left, acttually on Borough Street which looks as if it has a gap in it opposite Backhouse's walk end, where really it goes under the viaduct.  It looks as if the entrance from the viaduct may have been staggered to be opposite West Walls.

Have I got it right?  So do I gather the top of that lane actually climbs although it looks flat on the map?  We need those panoramic maos like they have in Switzerland!

Thank you Bob, you've satisfied my curiosity until I have chance to go.

Little and Ballantyne?  I really envy you having seen that before it was built on!

Best wishes

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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 02 May 09 16:23 UTC (UK) »

It's a foreign land for me but please accept an aerial photo http://tinyurl.com/cdze6o

You might enjoy this - you can drag it about, zoom in, rotate it etc ... have fun http://tinyurl.com/cxatkg
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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 02 May 09 21:04 UTC (UK) »

Hi Goeffe

That's a brilliant link, thank you!  We had great fun on there, earlier!

By the way, I don't know how it can be a foreign land when you come up with so much brilliant info!

I was surprised to see you in Lincolnshire though!

Best wishes

Emms
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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 02 May 09 21:59 UTC (UK) »

Geoff, I posted this earlier but idiot machine played up so if it comes up again I apologise.
Geoff, you are more than welcome as a stranger in a local land. That map ref was wonderful. The big building on the corner of english dam side and the viaduct actually stretches up through 2 strories and was the original seedsman building and later cartmel shepherd.
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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 02 May 09 22:52 UTC (UK) »

Hi Goeffe and Bob

Thank you both for all the info.  Goeffe, thank you!  All your input is really appreciated.

This is the view from the side!  Don't know if these will fit but on the original you can just about see gaps between buildings.  A bit dull, but I grabbed a few pics in case they put hoardings up! 

Here goes!  If it doesn't work I'll try it in the morning!



Best wishes

Emms


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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 02 May 09 22:57 UTC (UK) »

Above:

I think the seeds merchant as was is on the right, the cream one the restaurant? 

Anyone know about the chimney?

Below: slightly further along, and same with train to split the levels!



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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 02 May 09 23:00 UTC (UK) »

With the train!


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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 02 May 09 23:07 UTC (UK) »

(1)Caldew Brow where Backhouse Walk should go underneath

(2)West Walls behind Backhouse Walk?

Have fun!

Goodnight

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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 02 May 09 23:09 UTC (UK) »

Try againtomorrow!

It keeps telling me there's already an attachment of the same name as I'm putting up!

I think it's tired!

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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 03 May 09 08:52 UTC (UK) »

Emms,
2 nice pics of my favourite shopping emporium next to the gap in the arches. Originally they were used for stabling the horses that delivered the goods brought in by the trains. Nothing wasted for those Victorians!
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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 03 May 09 11:43 UTC (UK) »

Hi Bob

Thank you.  Yes, I'd forgotten.  We used to go in there loads when we first came and lived in town.  I should try it again.

And it evidently helped the local history along!

I've given up on the others for the moment.

Whenever I try to upload them it gives me the same message - that an attachment of that name already exists - they've had three different names each now!

Best wishes

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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 03 May 09 20:12 UTC (UK) »

Hi


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Re: carlisle - backhouses walk
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 03 May 09 20:16 UTC (UK) »

Hi
Thanks to Tati, Caldew Brow above,  hopefully West Walls on the other side of those buildings!  Non unique attachment name.  I thought they would be, but added date to make it more unique and it worked!

Steps going down to English Damside on the right, looks like Backhouse Walk runs behind these on map.

Best wishes

Emms


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