wimbush1975
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Looking for any info on Frederick Henry Griffiths born 1864 and his brother Philip Griffiths born 1866 in SA, parents Robert Henry and Charlotte Anne nee Winzor. Can find some info on Frederick and his marriage and children, but nothing on Philip? Would love to find out more about Frederick's children and if they had families??
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krisesjoint
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Hi Wimbush,
BISA
GRIFFITHS Robert Henry arrived by 1864 residence Wallaroo
married Charlotte Anne born c1846 died 10 June 1924 buried Payneham SA
children Fredk Henry (1864-1949), Geo Phillip (1866-1925)
GRIFFITHS George Philip died 27 June 1925 Hospital Fullaton Dist Ade 479 348 He was aged 58 married residence Fullaton Relative not recorded
Cheers Kris 
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wimbush1975
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Thanks for that, i had him as Philip, explains why i couldnt find anything on him, i have the birth disk of SA and it had him listed as Philip, where did you find the George bit?
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krisesjoint
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Hi Wimbush,
Yes the birth lists Phillip, but the BISA and the death list him as George Philip. I am not sure what you are after here. I do not see any births to Frederick in SA (He did marry in SA) nor do I see any Griffiths marriages listing a father as Frederick. Likewise the death for George Philip lists him as marriage but I see no marriage nor births listed to him in SA
Cheers Kris
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wimbush1975
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Thanks, youve help alot. Frederick had his 4 children in NSW so maybe George went there too for a while. Do you have any info on Charlottes family? I have her dad as Philp Winzor/Winzer, but would like to find out her mothers name etc.
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krisesjoint
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There are also entries in the BISA for the boys
GRIFFITHS Fredrick H. parents Robt Henry and Charlotte Anne born 25 Sep 1864 Pt Wallaroo SA died 1 July 1949 buried Payneham SA residence Wallaroo, Nth Adelaide rel: Meth
maried Annie nee HARRIS parents Thos Bult and Eliza Jane nee TUCKFIELD born 14 Oct
GRIFFITHS George Phillip parents Robt Henry and Charlotte Anne born 23 Dec 1866 SA died 27 June 1925 buried Payneham SA
married Phoebe Augta born c1869 died 11 June 1955
GRIFFITHS Phoebe Augusta died 11 June 1955 Hospital Erindale Dist Nor 827 3080 She was aged 86 a widow residence Erindale Relative George Phillip GRIFFITHS [Deceased Husband]
Cheers Kris
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krisesjoint
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Charlotte appears to have quite a few siblings marrying in SA including a brother Philip George. There are some BISA entries for some of the siblings listing parents as Philip and Eliz and one says born Dorset 1850 arrived 1855 aboard the OCTAVIA
Charlotte Ann WINZAR Mar 1/4 1846 Dorchester 8 55
I also note Robert Richard was listed in Dorchester in 1850 as stated in BISA
The family appear in Bradford Pererell in 1851
Mother Elizabeth 41 Married Masons Wife is the head (Huusband not present) - Sharlotte is 5
Cheers Kris
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Philip WINZER died 28 Jan 1873 Wallaroo Dist Dal 51 33, He was aged 61 Status not Known, Relative not recorded, residence Wallaroo
There is a passenger list for the OCTAVIA
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/octavia1855.htm
I see a James is listed as single male - perhaps family are WURGER family, son James only looks like being 6 in 1851 so don't know what to think 
Kris
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krisesjoint
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Philip WINZOR = Elizabeth SAMWAYS by Banns 27 Jan 1834 Fordington Dorset. Witnesses Philip Winzer and Elizabeth Samways
In 1841 oldest child Frederick is 3 (fits with 1851) Philip aged 30 is a plasterer and there is George Samways 60 in the house so this marriage looks great. There is also a Philip Winzer aged 50 a plasterer in Fordington so all fits very nicely.
Cheers Kris
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wimbush1975
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Thanks for the help, sorting through the info you have given!
Wendy
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krisesjoint
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No worries Wendy,
Glad to help. Just about my bed time. Let me know if you need those census entries etc and I will do them in the morning, or if there is anything else, just ask. I see a submitted entry for Elizabeth on IGI 15 Apr 1810 Piddletrenthide parents George and Jane (with George in the household in 1841 that looks good, and that is the POB listed in 1851  ) also some of the baptisms to Philip and Elizabeth. Looks like there was an earlier Charlotte.
Cheers Kris
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wimbush1975
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Hi, if you could give me those census entries would be good. when ever you have time, you have been a big help.. might have to pick your brains on my other family members im lost with! Night
Wendy
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By the way - I did notice George and Phoebe married in Broken Hill
2708/1890 GRIFFITHS George P = WEARNE Phoebe A H
I don't see any births - only the 4 to Frederick and Annie
Cheers Kris
No problem will do in the morning Wendy
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Morning Wendy,
1841 Census
HO107/294/6 Folio 24 Page 42
Pearce Lane
Holy Trinity
Dorchester
WINZAR Philip 30 Y Journeyman Plasterer
WINZAR Frederic 3
WINZAR Elizabeth 30 Y
WINZAR Maria 2 Y
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SAMWAYS George 50 Y Ind
SALTER George 50 Y Journeyman Blacksmith
SALTER Rebecca 55 Y
The / indicates they had a room/rooms on the same property
HO107/284/24 Folio 5 Page 4
Millers Close
Fordingham
WINZAR Philip 50 Y Journeyman Plasterer
WINZAR Hannah 70 Y
WINZAR Emma 15 Y
1851 census
HO107/1858 Folio 430 Page 11
Bradford Peverell
Dorchester
WINZER Elizabeth Head 41 Mar b Piddletrinthide Masons Wife
WINZER Frederick Son 13 b Dorchester Masons Boy
WINZER Maria 12 b Dorchester
WINZER Edward Son 9 b Dorchester
WINZER Fanney Dau 6 b Dorchester Scholar
WINZER Sharlotte Dau 5 b Dorchester At home
WINZER George Son 2 b Bradford Pevl - would suggest he becomes Philip George in Oz
WINZER Robert Son 1 b DBradford Pevl
SAMWAYS Christinah Visitor 18 Unm b Piddletrinthide (she is on the IGI dau of James and Elizabeth)
Sorry it was Fanney who was 6 - no James - I must have been tired last night 
HO107/1858 Folio 166 Page 18
Fordingham Hill
Fordingham
WINZAR Philip Head 63 Mar b Fordingham Plasterer Journeyman
WINZAR Hannah Wife 81 Mar b Church Somerset Blind
CRABTREE Robert Visitor 63 Unm b Dorchester Pauper formerly private in ?
Cheers Kris
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This looks like dads baptism
WINZAR Philip 23 Nov 1788 Fordingham parents Philip and Mary
submitted IGI entries suggest the marriage
Philip WINZAR - Mary PURCHASE 28 June 1784 Dorchester Holy Trinity
Now Hannah seemed to old to be the mother particularly where Emma is concerned. It it hadn't been for 1851 I would have suspected she may have been his mother as relationships are not listed in 1841.
I have not found philips baptism but I have found Emma's
WINZAR Emma 5 Sep 1824 Dorchester Holy Trinity parents Philip and Margaret
Also note daughters Charlotte and Elizabeth Ann listed on IGI
Philip WINZAR, of Holy Trinity Dorchester = Margaret STRICKLAND otp 15 Apr 1811 Puddletown Witnesses John Pouney and Robert Tapper
Cheers Kris
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