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king william
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I am not certain I have the correct board for my question - I am in New Zealand and a long way from the action.
My children's ancestors were Mortimer Maurice and Catherine Cromwell who married in Bristol, UK in 1821.
Mortimer was born about 1800 in Bristol and was a son of Joseph Maurice and Elizabeth Gillam who married in Bristol in 1787.
I have search far and wide for Joseph Maurice and wonder if I have a clue in the fact that Mortimer who was a very respected minister of religion is last recorded in 1851 working as a tutor in Hope, Flintshire, Wales.
I have found a couple of births on the LDS site of a Joseph Morris (allowing for a bit of wrong spelling) in Hawarden, they were in 1749 and 1750, he was a son of William Morris.
Mortimer was obviously well educated - I found a sermon of his is on the internet and his brother (I think) Benjamin Gillam Maurice was a surgeon. who went to India
I know there is a large history of Maurice's in Lloran and I believe they went back to the Williams family.
Can anyone even give me a lead to a contact of the Maurice family or help me sort out this complicated lot.
King William
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Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman - (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
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wilcoxon
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Barry Sheene 1950-2003
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1835
A Rev Mortimer Maurice is advertising tutoring at Chester.
Looks like he could be yours . he could have been in the area quite a while 
You might find this interesting, It`s where Mortimer Maurice is in 1851.
About 5 miles from me 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/sites/slideshows/pages/plas_teg.shtml
There are very few IGI entries for wales, the Bishop refused them to be microfimed.
In 1841 there are many Maurice families in North Wales.
I found these two wills on the Naitional library of Wales site.
http://cat.llgc.org.uk/cgi-bin/gw/chameleon
Pity there`s nothing more to help.
Joseph Maurice : 1844.
In Bangor Probate Records, 1576-1858 (WlAbNL)3650006
Details Maurice, Joseph, Llanfwrog, Denbigh, Gent
Maurice Joseph : 1772.
In Bangor Probate Records, 1576-1858 (WlAbNL)3650006
Details Joseph, Maurice, Penarbrynie bach, Llanfihangel-y-Pennant, Merioneth, Yeoman
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king william
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Wilcoxon,
Many thanks for this - I did have a feeling that Mortimer must have a connection with Wales as he did go there to tutor in 1851 and also the fact that there is a large Maurice family in Wales.
He was a minister of religion and served in Chester for over 17 years.
I have been on another board on this site asking about any siblings he may have had and the answer given is quite puzzling as it gives the children of Joseph Maurice and Elizabeth Gillam but does not mention Mortimer at all.
The fact that the name of Gillam is repeated in a grandson of Mortimer does make me certain that he is of that family somehow.
I have just stopped this reply and have once again looked at the IGI with a wider time frame and have found a Mortimer Maurice born in 1788 in Somerset and son of Joseph Maurice and Elizabeth Gillam.
I will follow this up and will probably come back to this board seeking Joseph if I can pin him down any more
Thanks - Robin
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Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Bush, Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers, Rodborough, Balle
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman - (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
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wilcoxon
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Barry Sheene 1950-2003
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I found these
Advertisements & Notices
The Bristol Mercury and Daily Post (Bristol, England), Saturday, November 13, 1886; Issue 12013.
Classified ads Miscellaneus Wants.
Ten Shillings Reward.
Wanted, certificate of birth or baptism of Mortimer Maurice , son of Mortimer and Catherine Maurice, late of Bristol, date November 1821.
Address GHF Maurice , 28 Peak Hill Gardens, Sydenham.
Ten shillings would be worth about £45 now.
http://www.moneysorter.co.uk/calculator_inflation.html
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries
The Bristol Mercury (Bristol, England), Saturday, September 26, 1846; Issue 2949.
September 18th in the Mall, Clifton. Mary Cromwell aged 68 beloved Aunt of Mrs Mortimer Maurice.
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king william
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Thank you for this - how very interesting, now I have a month of birth for him and I wonder just why someone is wanting to pay all that money for his certificate.
Mortimer senior married Catherine Cromwell in 1821 in Bristol - she has been a very difficult one to trace but I have finally got some parents for her in John and Hannah Cromwell, of the Bath area and I did see on a census someone sent me a while ago on Rootschat that Mary Cromwell did live with the family for some time.
I curently have a question on the Gloucestershire board attempting to find any siblings of Mortimer and also to find out just who exactly who his parents were. I widened my search for him and found an earlier birth for him in 1788.
I have also just found that a Joseph Maurice was in a "Medical Reading Society" in Bristol from 1807 - 1820. He was an apothecary, and had a son named William who was a surgeon.
I also found in that Reading Society a William Mortimer, surgeon and I believe he came from Trewellwell, St. David's, Pembrokeshire.
Thanks for that very interesting piece of information about a very elusive - but very well off family.
Robin
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Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Bush, Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers, Rodborough, Balle
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman - (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
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wilcoxon
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I expect you will have this already, but in 1881 Mortimer Maurice aged 59 is living with his family, no wife at home ? at 28 Peak Hill Gardens, same address as the Wanted advert.
One son is Gerald aged 18.
In 1891 Gerald J F Maurice 28 is married to Ada C and living at 120 St Addicombe Road ,Croyden.
From the initials it looks like it was Gerald who placed the advert.
Have sent a PM.
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wilcoxon
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This might be useful. It would give a birth year of about 1757/8
Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries.
The Bristol Mercury (Bristol, England), Saturday, May 9, 1840
April 29 at Springfield, near Haverfordwest.aged 82. Elizabeth widow of Joseph Maurice Esq. for many years an eminent medical practitioner in this city.
I have also found a few other refs to Maurice`s who were surgeons, all in the same paper.
Now look at this,  Bit of a coincidence with the name Benjamin, don`t you think.
IGI
ELIZABETH GILLAM
Christening: 04 JUL 1759 Bridge Street Independent Or Congregational, Bristol, Gloucester, England
Parents:
Father: BENJAMIN GILLAM
Mother: ANN
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wilcoxon
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Bristol Mercury 1841
To be sold by auction. A dwellng house with surgery at the junction of Mandlin Street with St Michaels Hill in the City of Bristol.
Formerly occupied many years by the late Mr Joseph Maurice Apothecary afterwards by his son Mr William Maurice surgeon.
I`ve moved all these posts to your Gloucestershire thread, they will be more useful there.
If I find more thats where I`ll put them.
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PAT BARKER
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Message from Pembrokeshire;
I'm researching the backgrounds to the memorials in St Mary's Church, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire and have been very interested to see your conversations re Joseph maurice. In St Mary's we have a memorial to Joseph and his wife. I tried to attach an image but too large. Let me have an email address and I can send a few to you.
You can find out more about the church from our website www.stmaryshaverfordwest.org.uk
Best wishes
Pat Barker
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king william
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Pat,
Many thanks for your offer - I did receive them from Annette who emailed you.
I have just returned from a lovely sunny holiday with two of my children in Cairns, Australia so please forgive me if my mind is a bit woolly and I ask a question I should know the answer to.
I wonder if among the records you have there, there may be something to give me an idea just who the parents of Joseph Maurice were.
I have learnt so much from this site about the Maurice line, I now have the Gillam's off pat, I know who the children of Joseph and Elizabeth were, and I wonder if there is any more on the line of Joseph hidden in your records.
Many thanks for your offer and I will take a look at your website.,
Robin
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Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Bush, Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers, Rodborough, Balle
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman - (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
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PAT BARKER
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Good Morning,
Thank you for your message; at the moment I have no further information regarding the family, but I shall certainly try to find more and will let you know if I do.
Unfortunately the church registers provide no extra information, but I'm always on the lookout for additional info. There was no local (Pembrokeshire) press until mid 1840's. I have already extensively researched the 19th century history of the church but have no recollection of the name Maurice appearing as churchwarden, membert of the vestry etc. If I find any more I'll let you know.
Best wishes
Pat
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PAT BARKER
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Hello again!
I mentioned the lack of local press until 1840's, but there was a newspaper, The Cambrian, published in Carmarthen I think which covered some Pembrokeshire news. If you google Cambrian and Swansea you should come up with a very interesting index to Cambrian which has several mentions of the Maurice family including deaths of Joseph and Elizabeth. Also in 1830 the death in Haverfordwest of Mrs William maurice (37) aznd then in 1831 the marriage of Wm maurice to Ann Maurice of Bristol. In 1832 death of John maurice age 74 at haverfordwest. I don't knoe whether these are related. Of course these are only indexes, I think you'd have to contact Swansea or Carmarthen record offices for the full article.
I plan to delve into the Cambrian for some other points, but not in the next month or so. If you have problems, let me know.
There was a mention of Mortimer of Trewellwell, St david's. One of the books on my shelf describes Trewellwell aS "hOME OF THE YEOMAN FAMILY OF mORTIMER IN 18TH & EARLY 19TH CENTURIES, being then a farmhouse. Thomas Mortimer acquired the freehold in 1835. The last of the family, Thomas Mortimer, had an only daughter, Eleanor, who married Rev Thomas William Jones, Vicar of Llanybri and his son Rev Mortimer Lloyd Jones (b1828) WAS A GRADUATE OF cORPUS cHRISTI, Cambridge. Estate sold but Mr Lloyd Jones bought it back in 1875 and assumed the name of Mortimer.
Several Mortimers in the St Davids district.
Pat
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king william
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Pat,
Many thanks for the search for me and for the information, the reason I was keeping an eye out for Mortimer family news is that I guess that my Mortimer Maurice was named after a female Mortimer who may have married into the Maurice family, otherwise it seems an odd name for a small baby, it has a ring of being a name handed down and I have wondered if there were any early marriages between a Mortimer and a Maurice, particularly as they all come from the Pembrokeshire area with a bit of Bristol thrown in. I see that St David's and Haverfordwest are only 10 to 20 miles apart.
Thank you
Robin
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Wiltshire, Somerset, Gloucestershire - Bush, Strange, Whittington, Gunning, Browning, Maltravers, Rodborough, Balle
Shropshire - le Strange
Wales - Deulwyn, Dalwyn, Rede, Wirriott,
East Sussex - Catt, Ashdown, Barham, Henley, Lawrence, Hepden, Elliott, Phillips
London - Bush, King
Suffolk - Sewell, Knight, Baxter, Martin
Norfolk - Sewell, Larter, Howlett, Bacon:
Tasmania, Australia - Bossward, Harriet Wellman - (she is a huge puzzle)
Worcestershire - Lloyd, Beach, Shepherd, Hemming
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Peterej
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I am not sure if this helps or fits in anywhere but there is a Mortimer Maurice born abt 1809 in Stockport and living at least in 1851 in Bersham , Denbighshire. HO 107/2503. I knew of his existence as he had a daughter Susannah who married Thomas Eyton Jones in 1860. Thomas later on became Mayor of Wrexham. He was a Doctor or Surgeon.
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wilcoxon
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Hello PeterJej
This Mortimer Maurice was a proprieter of the Vron Coal mine along with William Low, who went on to plan a `submarine` tunnel from England to France.
Mortimer was declared bankrupt and the Vron bought by another company.
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