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Dinkydidy
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Hi everyone,
I'm hoping for some help with the locations of the following place names that no longer exist.
I have an 1841 birth at STEPHEN'S DALE (christening recorded at Holy Trinity).
An 1846 birth at OLD TIERS. (There is an 1844 birth at Glen Osmond between these two.)
An 1841 census area shown as Government Farm TIERS.
An 1862 death (different family) at Battersea Farm, near THIERS.
I found a reference that says Crafers was previously called Old Tiers, but also have an impression that the tiers was a more general term for the foothills or hills areas. Can anyone please enlighten me further?
Didy
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krisesjoint
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Hi Didy,
Yes I too believe this was a whole area. Crafers was the heart of The Tiers. Mainly inhabited by woodcutters and gold seekers. My relatives were woodsmen who found gold and built an early hotel. Lots of shady characters (escaped convicts etc) inhabited this densely scrubbed area. My interest is New Tiers (Forest Range) sometimes described simply as The Tiers. I have several BMDs from this area. "Tiers Near Woodside" "Tiers near Forest Range" It came under Nairne district. A relative was credited will renaming New Tiers Forest Range.
http://www.ahc.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=208
Cheers Kris 
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Dinkydidy
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Thanks for your thoughts, Kris, as well as the interesting link.
The child born in 1846 at Old Tiers was christened a year later at Blakiston, as were later children, so I wondered if the Tiers name extended that far.
I have never seen another reference to Stephen's Dale, but assume it must have been reasonably close to the city.
Didy
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deeiluka
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Very interesting.....and got me thinking about the use of the name "Tiers" in place names such as Hindmarsh Tiers.
I went searching and found the following very interesting too....
http://www.mitchamcouncil.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=380
Dee
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Steeles, Burton, Garrod - Norfolk Bauer - London, France Clarke, Tomblin - Rutland Edwards, Coles, Smith, Nunley, Craddock, York, Linnell - Northants Watts - Wiltshire Ehmcke, Deimel, Appelkamp - Germany Redwood -Devon, Essex Blades, Babb- Surrey Selway, Churchill, Chappell - Somerset Watts - Somerset, Wiltshire Button, Archer, Leach - Cambridgeshire Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Dinkydidy
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Hello Dee
Interesting stuff in the Mitcham article, especially the way it shows the use of "tiers" in the general hills context.
Shows that the old place names which used the term covered a lot of territory, methinks.
Didy
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grantleydawn
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I too, would love to know where STEPHEN'S DALE is. Have you had any success, Didy?
My person of interest was "born in a one room 'dugout' in the side of the hill at Glen Osmond", as per family stories.
I have now added (thanks to Kris) that he was "born 3 Nov 1841 at Stephens Dale baptised Holy Trinity 12 Dec 1841"
Are we chasing the same family? My current interest is the SPENCER, HENSTRIDGE & SHEPARD. The SPENCER's arrived in 1839 aboard the "Prince Regent"
Regards
Grantley
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Dinkydidy
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Hi Grantley.
I still don't know exactly where Stephen's Dale was, but have suspected that it was in the Glen Osmond region.
My family was living in Waymouth Street in April 1840 when they buried a child at Holy Trinity. The next reference also comes from a Holy Trinity record for a child born 16 March 1841 and christened May 1841, with the parents' abode being Stephen's Dale.
The next recorded child was born in 1844 at Glen Osmond, and the one after that in 1846 at "Old Tiers", but christened at Blakiston, where 3 more children were born.
The 1841 census lists the family in District A, which apparently covered the metropolitan area from Port Adelaide eastward to a line drawn north-south through Mt Lofty, with the southern boundary being the road from Glenelg to South Terrace and then a line eastward from there to the Mt Lofty line. This would appear to exclude Glen Osmond, but the baby is not recorded on the census, and I'm not sure of the date it was taken.
My "Government Farm Tiers" query relates to a brother of the above.
The family's name was Farmilo, and I am not aware of any connections with the names you mention.
Regards,
Didy.
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grantleydawn
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Hi Didy,
Great to make contact.
The family that I am researching is of Joseph SPENCER & Elizabeth SHEPARD.
They also moved up to the Mt Barker/Nairne area. Joseph SPENCER died in Native Valley nr Nairne and is buried in Blakiston cemetery.
I have a request for the obituary of their son William Joseph SPENCER, who was born at Stephen's Dale. Hopefully it may help, but I am not holding me breath.
Regards
Grantley
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grantleydawn
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I contacted the Burnside City Council Library and their Local History section advised;
“I can find no record of a locality called Stephen’s Dale in Burnside. The closest is Stevenson’s Gardens, more commonly known as Leawood Gardens. This was a nursery established by George Stevenson in about 1844 (perhaps slightly earlier), and was located near the acute bend in the Mount Barker road called the Devil’s Elbow. This is the only locality in Burnside with a name anything like Stephen’s Dale. Stevenson’s Gardens was very near Glen Osmond, but it is far from conclusive.”
As a note, they mention Devil’s Elbow. They are referring to the original Devil’s Elbow, on the Old Mount Barker Road. Leadwood Gardens was consumed when they created the replacement Mount Barker Road and the name Devil’s Elbow was then reused further down the road.
You can find Leawood Gardens on Google Maps by searching for “Leawood Gardens, SA”
Regards
Grantley
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krisesjoint
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Hi Folks,
You may note David from MAPCO has kindly uploaded a map for us of the Hills area. Fascinating to see. Lovely to see such detail of the area where my ancestors lived. Thank You David. 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,390538.new.html#new
If he is able to turn up anything on Stephens Dale he will let us know.
I have to say I have my doubts it is in the Glen Osmond area. I have a feeling it may be much closer to town. I have spent my morning trying to chase this up. Haven't really achieved much I am afraid. I find 5 families baptising children at Holy Trinity in 1841 (3 on the same day) listing a residence of Stephens Dale. The thing I find most interesting is the census. Now apart from Grantley's Spencer family who are listed at Gilbert Street on page 15, I find the other four families are all neighbours and list as District A pages 186 and 187. No real clues from here on. Grantley's family seem to stay around Adelaide and nearby for the next few years with next child at Payneham and following one "on the Torrens" - that does not sound like they were living in a house. Didy's family are in Glen Osmond in 1844 followed by Old Tiers. The other families one stayed around Adelaide, one moved to Tapleys Hill and then O'Halloran Hill and the last one Dry Creek and then Gawler.
Back to the census and trying to find clues. I thought I may have been on to something when on page 191 (handwritten Sheet 25) it noted "for sheets 23 and 24 see Magill". Unfortunately page 190 was sheet 22 so alas no real help. There was another note page 183 (sheet 15) saying for sheets 11- 15 see Payneham. again alas page 182 is Sheet 10 so it appears the notations were no help at all. There is no sheet number listed on page 15, Gilbert Street. Another failure.
Next I tried looking for baptisms of the other neighbours of the Farmilo's on pages 186 and 187. One of the neighbours the Fergusons baptised a child in March 1841 The address was Mackgill Village. Another neighbour the Overington family had a child 17 Aug 1841 residence Hawden St Adelaide. That baptism is the same day as William Spencer, but not the same address.
It has been an interesting morning but afraid I really achieved nothing 
Cheers Kris
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Roydie
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Have been consulting Mannings Place names of SA and have dug a few bits and pieces up in regard to place names mentioned in this thread.
He suggests that Tiers was the forests of the Mount Lofty Ranges, and notes that Samuel Stephens "facetiously" named them "Tiers D'etat"
Crafers appears as a postal location by 1851, and a David Crafers had the licence for the Sawyers Arms on Mt Barker Road as early as 1839.
Forrest Range is descfribed as 6 ks s-west of Lobethal, and by 1890 was rapidly replacing "The Tiers" to describe the locality.(spelling changed to one r at that time too)
Blakiston originally was named by a Francis Davison (arr.1839) to 2 eighty acre sections in the Mount Barker district.
Native Valley 8 km east of Nairne named by 3 brothers Mullins early 1850's.
The 1908 Nomenclature of South Australia does not mention Stephens Dale- I found that book archived as a cd online.
Back in Mannings, Makgill Village is described as being situated about 4 miles from Adelaide, about a ¼ mile on this side of the 3rd stream to the north-east of the town, and near the foot of the mountains- and was laid out in 1838.
But no reference to Stephens Dale there either.
Interesting to research!
Cathy
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Dinkydidy
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Hello. Kris, Cando & Cathy - you HAVE been busy bees!
A thought came into my mind at Kris's mentioning of Grantley's family having children at Payneham and "on the Torrens". I wonder if there is a connection with what is now Stephen (formerly Stephens?) Terrace, which runs through Gilberton and St Peters and crosses the Torrens at a point which is quite expansive. Could that once have been known as Stephen's Dale?
I wonder how long the name has been associated with the area?
Didy
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MAPCO
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Hi Didy.
Stephen Terrace was formerly Walkerville Road back in the day. Take a look at this 1929 street directory page on the MAPCO website:
http://archivemaps.com/mapco/adelstreets/streets32a.htm
I am currently revising some of the Adelaide maps online. They will be much easier to use in a few days time, and may lead to a theory or two worth pursuing.
I will keep you posted!
Regards,
David.
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