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Topic: Thomas Roberts - birth/christening and first marriage? (COMPLETED) (Read 748 times)
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Truebrit
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Hello
I don't know if anybody can help me although i am trying to locate further information on Thomas Roberts.
Thomas married Jane Shuker in Dudley, both of full age, on 25/12/1853. I have their marriage entry and Thomas interestingly lists himself as a widower. His father is listed as Benjamin Roberts, miner, and his own trade is described as a brickman.
I have not been able to find a christening for Thomas or find him on either the 1841 or 1851 census' with any certainty and therefore wondered if i could find the first marriage would it give me any clues?
Here is what i know:
From the census' in 1861 Thomas lists himself as born in Oldbury, Worcestershire abt 1825 and working as a pit laborourer. He is living in Oldbury with his wife Jane and their family. Jane is listed as from Pensnett although actually she was from Shropshire!
In 1871, Thomas lists himself as born abt 1831 and working as a miner in Kingswinford, Pensnett. His place of birth is not clear although it certainly says Worcestershire and looks like Burntree. Jane is correctly listed as from Shropshire.
In 1881, Thomas is a widow (Jane died in 1877) and he is living with a couple of his children as a lodger in Cannock! He lists his age as born abt 1830 and born in Oldbury, Worcestershire.
In 1891, he is again lodging in Kingswinford and gves his age as born abt 1827 in Old Swinford, Worcestershire.
Thomas appears to have died in the Mar Q of 1901 in Stourbridge at the age of 74 - therefore suggesting a birth of abt 1827. I cannot find him on the 1901 Census and so presume his death pre-dated this.
Can anybody find his birth, christening or other family information?
Also can anybody find his first marriage, which if he was born in 1825 at the earliest would have been between about 1843 and his second marriage in 1853.
And can anybody find any census entries for 1841 and 1851 that would offer a good fit?
Lots of qustions there although i know that people here are very resourceful in their lookups and enjoy a challenge! Therefore, i am hoping to get some further information to progress my research.
Thanks in advance.
TB
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jim1212
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THOMAS ROBERTS.
Birth, 13 AUG 1830.
Christening, 21 NOV 1830, Wesleyan, Kidderminster, Worcester,
Parents:
BENJAMIN ROBERTS.
LUCY.
From the NON CONFORMIST registers/book, born 15/08/1830. Benjamin was a cabinet maker.
Parish of Kidderminster.
Jim.
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Truebrit
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I noticed those but i am just not sure if they tie up with the information that i have from the Census' on Thomas. None of them give a hint as to a Kidderminster birth. Also he gives his fathers trade as a miner in 1853 - a bit of a come down from a cabinet maker although possible i suppose!
It would be interesting to see if a first marriage can be found together with a death of his first wife.
This one has been a bit of a brick wall for me.
Thanks all for your ongoing help.
TB
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jim1212
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From the Nonconformist register,
other children.
BENJAMIN ROBERTS
Birth, 08 JUL 1825.
Christening, 29 JUL 1825. Wesleyan, Kidderminster, Worcester,
JOHN ROBERTS.
Birth, 05 JUL 1828.
Christening, 24 AUG 1828, Wesleyan, Kidderminster, Worcester,
JANE ROBERTS
Birth, 02 FEB 1833.
Christening, 24 FEB 1833, Wesleyan, Kidderminster, Worcester,
Parents to all.
BENJAMIN ROBERTS. Cabinet Maker.
LUCY.
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jim1212
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This is the 1850 marriage. Submitted.
THOMAS ROBERTS
Father: WILLIAM ROBERTS.
MARY ANN SMITH.
Father, George.
Marriage, 21 DEC 1850, Kidderminster, Worcester,
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Truebrit
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Thanks Jim1212
It seems that this may not be easy to solve as the information is not categorically tieing up
That submitted marriage is a shame as it also does not see to fit as the father is William.
So strange!
And whilst he generally lists a birthplace of oldbury on the census' - where might Burntree be as listed on his 1871 entry?
All so perplexing.
TB
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jim1212
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A possible, extracted.
THOMAS ROBERTS.
Birth, 06 AUG 1831.
Christening, 17 MAR 1833. Saint Thomas, Dudley, Worcester,
Parents:
WILLIAM ROBERTS.
JANE.
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Truebrit
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Thanks for that Jim1212.
Looks as if he is a Dudley boy. Looks like we can discount the Kidderminster entry. I just need to make the known information match now!
The only connecting info that i have to Thomas' family is the reference to his father being Benjamin Roberts, miner, on his second marriage certificate!
If anyone can shed any further light i would be most grateful.
Regards
TB
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pamjd
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Had a look for Benjamin, Thomas's father, and came up with these:
1841 tipton, Staffs
Benjamin age 30 Coal miner
(with 2 unrelated men, John Morris and David Reeves).
1851 Oldbury, Staffs
Benjamin age 47 Colliery lab
Ann age 49 wife
Esther age 20 dau
Joseph age 17 son
Ann age 14 dau
Benjamin age 11 son
Not sure if this helps or not!
Pam
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Nash, Worcestershire (Bishampton) and Warwickshire (Birmingham)
Ball, Warwickshire (Birmingham, Shirley, Solihull)
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Truebrit
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That last entry seems plausible.
I found a marriage entry on the IGI between a Benjamin Roberts and Mary Corbett on 08/05/1825 at St Thomas', Dudley. Ties in well with a potential birthdate, partiularly as the oldest child on the 1851 census you found is 20, giving a birth year of 1831. Surely that couple must have had children between 1825 and 1831?
Still can't find a baptism though!!!!!! Perhaps somebody could do a quick lookup in the St Thomas Record's between 1825 and 1831 to see if a Thomas was baptised there between 1825 and 1831?
Thanks in advance.
TB
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Truebrit
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Thanks Pam
Very useful information.
Does anyone know which church he may have got christened at in view of a Burnt Tree/Oldbury birth? I had a look some time ago at the St Thomas, Dudley records between 1825 and 1831 and did not find either him or any siblings christened there so presumerably it must be somewhere else - that is if he was christened!
Thanks in advance
TB
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