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Topic: Murrays of E/W Lulworth (Read 270 times)
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AshkeJ
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Posts: 39
My father's stepfather's family - the Taplins!
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Recently, thanks to a friend, I managed to trace my father's maternal grandfather's family back to West Lulworth. His name was Joshua Lock Murray, born in Belchalwell in 1856. His parents were John B Murray (b1836 in West Lulworth) and Sarah Lock (b1835 in Milton Abbas).
The PRs at FMP give John's baptism and it lists his parents as John Murray and Ellinor Sinclair. They also had a daughter, Margaret (born and died August 1834 West Lulworth). However, I can't find a marriage for John and Ellinor. Nor can I find them as a family in either the 1841 or 1851 census returns. By 1861 John and Sarah are married and with their children.
I have manually searched the 1841 and 1851 returns for East and West Lulworth and couldn't find 'my' Murrays - although I did find other Murrays.
Using those census returns and online PRs, I have pieced a rough tree of earlier generations.
John Murray married Mary.
They had at least 3 children: Thomas, 1779; John, 1781; Ann 1783.
Thomas married first Elizabeth Roberts in 1802 and they had a son, John, in 1803. Elizabeth died in 1807. Thomas then married Mary Sennock in 1808.
Thomas and Mary had at least 2 children: Edward 1808; William 1818. I have no doubt that there were more children in the interceding 10 years.
Edward married Sarah Butcher and William married Martha Roberts.
Sorry to ramble on! My query is: has anybody come across any of these Murrays, and can anybody help in tracking down John B Murray in the earlier census (hopefully with his parents!), please?
There is a possibility that their marriage was non-conformist or Catholic, or even that they never married. Perhaps, given that Ellinor's surname is given in the baptism entry, they were married to other people?
I don't currently have a lot of experience of Dorset research - but I have come across the Dorset OPC site and double cecked the baptism dates from FMP that I was able.
Anyway, if anybod could help or has any suggestions (until I can go to the Dorset CRO) then I would be very grateful!!
Regards,
Dom
(Mistake I refer to in my 2nd post has now been rectified!!)
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Holborow/Hurcombe/Halliday - Glos/Wilts
Palmer/Fisher - Collingbournes, Wiltshire
Murray - West Lulworth, Dorset
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nanny jan
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 5105
"Russian" John
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Hi,
On the OPC site (East Lulworth baptisms) there is a Margaret d.o. of John and Elllen Murray (Sinclair) baptised 10 Aug 1834; asterisks after this entry show it is from the Roman Catholic registers.
Perhaps that is where the marriage is and not yet transcribed?
John (b1836) and Sarah (b1835) had a daughter Margaret b.1834. 
Nanny Jan
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Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick) all LDN area/suburbs Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT Gandy/LDN before 1830 Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK Rainer/CAN (Toronto)
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nanny jan
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 5105
"Russian" John
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Hi,
If you go on a Saturday you can use the office car park by the History Centre; just get a slip from reception. Saves the cost and walk from Top o'the Town!
If you can't get to Dorchester the Dorset Family History Society have a search service (http://www.dorsetfhs.org.uk).
Nanny Jan
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Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick) all LDN area/suburbs Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT Gandy/LDN before 1830 Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK Rainer/CAN (Toronto)
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Deborah Boss
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Posts: 167
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Dom
I'm afraid I can't help you with your specific query. However I would be interested in any snippets that you find out about the ealier Murra/ey generations.
My husband is descended from the same John and Mary; through their son Thomas (born 1779) and his wife Elizabeth Roberts; and then their daughter Mary (born 1805).
I think that the younger Mary's brother John (cooper) was gaoled in 1840 for smuggling. I also think he appears on the tithe apportionments.
I don't have any information about the elder Mary - no surname, and just a tentative burial date of 1783 based on lack of any other suitable burials and the absence of christenings after this date. Similarly I have nothing on John other than his burial in 1813 which gives a suggested birth around 1756. I also have nothing on Thomas other than he lived (labourer), married (okay twice) and died. I really want to flesh these people out and go back more generations.
I have more information on Elizabeth Roberts and have a couple of earlier generations so I'm doing better with her.
I think that Thomas (born 1779) and his second wife Mary Sinnock had Ann (1811, died 1812), Elizabeth (1813) and a second Ann (1818) between the two other children you mention. I don't know anything about Elizabeth but I think Ann appears on at least the 1841 census as Ann Travess and is buried at East Lulworth in 1867.
Have your read the Henry Rolls (a native of East Lulworth) diary for information about your Murrays? regards
Deborah
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Deborah Boss
RootsChat Member
Posts: 167
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Dom
I have found the link for the Henry Rolls diary:
http://home.clear.net.nz/pages/na.mckenzie/Henry_Rolls_Journal.pdf
I have already looked through it for my husband's family and found one or two references. It's probably best that you read/skim through the whole lot for any names of interest. Be aware of the very idiosyncratic spelling.
There wasn't much (anything at all?) about any Murrays that are ancestors to you both. I did find a reference to my Mary Murray and her death and burial in 1843.
regards
Deborah
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