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Talmage
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Marchant marriage
« on: Monday 27 April 09 12:48 UTC (UK) »

I am trying to find the record of the marriage of my 3xgreat grandfather Edward Marchant and his wife Sarah. She was probably born between 1771 and 1774 and her birthplace is given as Worth on the 1851 census. She died in 1856. I have no information at all about Edward except that he was an ag. lab. who pre-deceased her.
I think the marriage would probably have taken place in the Worth/ Ardingley/ Cuckfield area between 1790 and 1799. I have found one in Cuckfield in 1798 of an Edward Marchant and a Sarah Butcher but the children I have found for them do not seem to include my 2xgreat grandfather Henry born about 1805.
Any help would be much appreciated.

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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 April 09 13:36 UTC (UK) »

Hi Talmage

There are two marriages for an Edward Marchant in that time period, the one you mention and a second on 12 April 1803 to a Sarah Avery.

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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #2 on: Monday 27 April 09 13:38 UTC (UK) »

Talmage

The only baptism I can find for a Henry Marchant at that time in that area is

Henry Marchant baptised 28 December 1806 to William and Mary Marchant at Bolney.  Can I ask where you have the information about Edward and Sarah?

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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #3 on: Monday 27 April 09 14:05 UTC (UK) »

Hi Kerry
Sarah was living with Henry when the 1851 census was taken. Her age then was given as 77 and she was a pauper. I presume that she had gone to live with him to help look after his children as his wife Elizabeth had died during the 1840s leaving him with several quite young children.
I have been able to obtain her death certificate from February 1856 which says that she was the widow of an Edward Marchant, ag lab. and her age is given as 84 which is why I have quite a wide span for her possible date of birth. I had seen the marriage to Sarah Avery but have been in touch with a descendant in Australia and, as far as I can remember, that Sarah died in 1822.
I have also found the baptism of a Henry Marchant in Balcombe (I think) in 1805 or 1806, son of a James and Sarah but I have traced him in the 1881 census and I know that my Henry died in the 1860s.
I am descended from Henry's youngest son Ambrose who married an Emma Ellen Marchant. She was the daughter of  Thomas Hugh Marchant and I think they were related but I can fin absolutely no trace of his pbaptism either. It is all very frustrating.
Thank you for your interest.
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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #4 on: Monday 27 April 09 14:22 UTC (UK) »

Hi Talmage

I thought I would check, and it looks like Henry's baptism is amongst records not currently on my resource.  I'll try and search from another angle.

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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #5 on: Monday 27 April 09 14:27 UTC (UK) »

Might just have found burial for Edward Marchant which places him in Cuckfield

Edward Marchant
buried on 1 January 1823
49years old
at Cuckfield
labourer

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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #6 on: Monday 27 April 09 14:35 UTC (UK) »

Hi Kerry
That certainly looks like a possible death - the age is about right and there was always a story in the family that they came from Cuckfield. Furthermore, both Henry and Thomas Hugh were married in Cuckfield Parish church in the late 1820s.
If you can give me any further information it would be great.
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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 04:20 UTC (UK) »

If you do not already have them

From the Sussex Marriage Index
Cuckfield, West Sussex, 31 May 1828
Henry MARCHANT, bach
Elizabeth SKINNER, sp botp (B)

From the Sussex Marriage Index
Cuckfield, West Sussex, 31 Dec 1829
Thomas Hugh MARCHANT, bach
Elizabeth HARMAN, sp botp (B)

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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 04:50 UTC (UK) »

There is a Henry marrying in Bolney in 1833 to a Jane HARMES. A possibility this is the Henry born in Bolney in 1806. They are in Bolney in 1851.

Henry and Elizabeth are in Cuckfield in 1841. 1851 says Sarah is his mother and born Worth, as was Henry.

Not sure if you had seen this

http://www.rootschat.com/links/066j/

If the info there is correct, then Henry and Thomas Hugh were brothers.

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CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
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UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
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RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
Talmage
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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 07:18 UTC (UK) »

Hi Ian C
Thanks for all the information. I did have records of the two marriages and had also found the family tree in the past and contacted Natalie. Unfortunately, she did not have any proof either but had worked along similar lines to me.
I had worked out that the Edward and Sarah she mentions were possible ancestors but can find no proof. I also think it most likely that Henry and Thomas Hugh were brothers, or at least cousins; TH was a witness at Henry's marriage and his younger daughter married Henry's youngest son, Ambrose. The problem is that I have absolutely no proof of this which is why I am still looking.
Thanks for your interest.
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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 07:52 UTC (UK) »

Male baptisms for Cuckfield are not on the IGI for some reason.  The fiche of the register are extremely hard to read.
14 Jun 1807 Edward s Edward and Sarah
4th? 6th?  Aug 1809 Owen? s of Edward and Sarah
25 mar 1810 Sarah base born daughter of Ann reputed by Richard Gower
22 Sep 1811 Mercy dau Edward and Sarah

No sign of Henry but I may have missed him.  However - if the first baptism in Cuckfield for them is 1807 then it is highly likely that earlier children were baptised elsewhere.  There must be some if they married in 1798.
There are baptisms for children of William and Ann and a James Marchant too so there were various family members around at that time.

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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 08:06 UTC (UK) »

A few burials in Cuckfield
1789 Mar John - coachman at Cuckfield Place
1792 Nov Susannah widow pauper 67/47?
17984 Jul John Corwainer 66
1796 Nov William 69
I would not guarantee any of these as the fiche are so hard to decipher.  It is most annoying as someone has taken the trouble to type them all out but the quality of reproduction is so bad it is impossible to make out the surname let alone the rest of the details.  It would be worth your getting the original register to search at your local LDS centre if you have not already done so.
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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 08:12 UTC (UK) »

Hi

I notice on the IGI there is this  extracted baptism in West Hoathly

Sarah Marchant 16 AUG 1798  parents Edward Marchant and Sarah Died 19 AUG 1798

Then in Cuckfield a submitted entry

Mildred  Marchant 01 DEC 1799 parents Edward and Sarah

Then in West Hoathly an extracted entry

Ann Marchant   JAN 1803 parents Edward and Sarah

If this is the same couple it fills the gaps a bit. Any sign of Mildred on your fiche Andrea?

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I can check the fiche and transcripts at the record office but it might not be till late June
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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 08:14 UTC (UK) »

Hi Andrea
Thanks for this information. I will have to try and look at the original records for Cuckfield as you suggest.
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Re: Marchant marriage
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 08:34 UTC (UK) »

Baptism
15th May 1814 Theresa d Edward and Sarah of Vinals Cuckfield, labourer

Will try and find out from Cuckfield Museum if anyone knows where Vinals was.  Just off there now.

Could not see Mildred at first glance - will look later.  Interesting though Jan as there is a Vinols Cross near West Hoathly.
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