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John White - Pulborough
« on: Tuesday 28 April 09 01:37 BST (UK) »
Trying to find some information about John White (born Pulborough c1833).  He married a lady called Elizabeth (born Plymouth c1829 - unfortunately don't now maiden name or marriage date) and I can find them on the 1881 census but am having little luck with anything else.

I know they had children, most or all of whom were born in Brighton, and would like to find out what happened to them all!!  Huh

Any help would be much appreciated  Smiley

Thanks.
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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 06:44 BST (UK) »
Have info on John White.

John White bap 28 Oct 1832 St Mary, Pulborough. Father: John, Mother: Charlotte

Brothers&Sisters
Susan bap 23 Nov 1830
George bap 14 Jun 1829

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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 06:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Gravity,

Have you looked for the marriage and children's births on freebmd site?

As you know John married an Elizabeth that will help identify the marriage...
also if you checked the 1841/51 census etc you would find out more about them.

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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 16:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Gravity

Can you give us the reference for the 1881 census to help find other census returns.  Also do you have any birth certificates for any of John and Elizabeth's children, they will give you her maiden name.

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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 18:03 BST (UK) »
The reference from the LDS website for the 1881 census is -

Public Records Office Reference : RG11
Piece / Folio : 1087 / 87
Page Number : 26

Don't have any certificates for the children cos of the expense involved in purchasing them! Angry

I've checked other census records and can't seem to find an earlier record for John - don't know whether it's not there or I'm missing it... can't see the wood for the trees!! Tongue Grin
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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 18:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Gravity

You're right they are expensive but ordering at least one gives you another option apart from marriage cert to find mother's maiden name.

Anyway I have found the 1871 census RG10 1084 10 13 again in Brighton

John doesn't know his place of birth and Elizabeth has Hampshire  Roll Eyes

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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 18:30 BST (UK) »
Ok so if Laura was born 1865 in Brighton, might this be a possibility for the marriage.

John White
Elizabeth Earwaker Tribe
1864, September
Brighton
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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 18:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Gravity

Am I right in thinking you have John's possible birth c1833 from 1881 census.

My theory is that his age on that census is incorrect. 

The 1871 quoted above has him as born 1843.

I then found an 1861 census RG9 612 16 9 at Coldwaltham, just down the road from Pulborough of an Edmund White age 44 and son John age 16, ag lab born Pulborough.

So I went and had a look at the Sussex Family History Group PR database and found the following:

John White baptised 1845 29 January to Edmund and Lucy White at Pulborough.

What do you think?  Smiley

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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 20:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Kerry

Re the age being incorrect, Sean found the info. below earlier on which seems to fit better as I have now found that John and Elizabeth had an older son called Alfred who was born c1859 which would make John only around the age of 16ish when the first child was born and I wonder if that is a little early?  Huh

John White bap 28 Oct 1832 St Mary, Pulborough. Father: John, Mother: Charlotte

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George bap 14 Jun 1829

This particular surname is proving to be a little tricky because it is quite a common name!!  Angry Tongue

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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 22:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Bev

Alfred is on the 1871 census that I found as a child of 11 years old so that appears to fit but his age is obviously wrong on that one.  Good grief your'e right about it being tricky and its usually the less complicated surnames that cause problems.

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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 22:14 BST (UK) »
Do the children's name on the 1871 and 1881 census fit with what you have?

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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 22:14 BST (UK) »
In the 1871 Census looking at the image it looks like he is 38 which makes it 1833.

So just to recap from the 1881 Census we have them living in Blackman Street Brighton
John White Public Lamplighter age 48 (b 1833) Sussex Pulboro
Elizabeth White age 51 (b 1836) Plymouth Devon
Laura J White age 16
John G age 14
Kate age 12
Ellen L age 9

Mary L Bryant Daughter ? age 26 (Wifes child pre marriage?)
Children all born in Brighton

In 1871 we have them living in Vine Street, Brighton.
John is still a lamp lighter.

New addition Alfred age 11 (born 1860) brighton.

In 1861, fitting in with Kerry's info on the marriage we have
Elizabeth Tribe widow age 32 born in Hampshire
Son William 10 born Hampshire
Daughter Mary 5 born Brighton
Son Alfred 2 born Brighton

So I think this confirms the marriage of John White to Elizabeth Tribe.
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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 22:19 BST (UK) »
Arr that explains why I can't find them on the 1861 swebby!

So I wonder if Earwaker was her maiden name, if she a widow.  I did note she was older than John  Wink

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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 22:31 BST (UK) »
In the 1891 Census they live in Ellen Street, Hove.

John is widowed. (still a lamplighter)
Ellen is with him as well as Laura age 9 born Brighton a grand-daughter.

In 1901 John is in the home of his son in law in North Gardens, Brighton.

Ellen has married Henry Hull age 33 postman born Brighton.
They have the following children:
Henry age 7
John 5
Albert 2 months
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Re: John White - Pulborough
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 22:35 BST (UK) »
Marriage

Ellen Louise White
Henry Hall
Q4 1893 Brighton RD
Vol 2b Page 539
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