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Abiams Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« on: Tuesday 28 April 09 12:07 UTC (UK) »

Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt......we're going forward this week, should be interesting.

Good Luck and Good Hunting.

Barbara

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I am trying to find Emma Harding in the 1871 census.  I have put all the information I have below hoping someone can find her  for me.  
Emma Tuckwell was Bap. 10 Aug. 1823 in Cookham Berkshire.  Her parents were Joseph and Lavinia Tuckwell.

1841 Census   HO 107 Piece 15 Folio 13/11 Page 16
Emma is aged 19 and born in the county and with her parents and siblings.
It seems Emma Tuckwell had two illegitimate children.

Eleanor in 1843 and Alice in 1847.  
1843 Eleanor Tuckwell is born illegitimately to Emma Tuckwell Bap. 19 Feb 1843 in the Cookham Union.  Free BMD has a birth for an Ellen Tuckel Sep ¼ 1842 This could well be her!

1847 Alice Tuckwell born 22 Mar. 1847 to Emma Tuckwell in the Cookham Union Bap. 15 Apr.1847.  Alice died 1 Aug 1848 also in the Cookham Union. Aged 1¼  These notes were found in the Cookham Union Workhouse Births and Deaths 1836-1868 transcribed and published by the Eureka Partnership.

1850 Emma Tuckwell married  in Mar. ¼ of 1850 to William Harding, Cookham Dean (Born 1826)

Census 1851 HO 107 Piece 1694 Folio 208 Page 31  Emma and Ellen
Emma is living at Braywick Road Maidenhead age 26, Married, Wife of labourer, with daughter Ellen age 10.  I think Ellen may be Eleanor born 1842.

Census 1851  HO 107 Piece1694 Folio 310 Page 10  William with Father
Her husband William is living and working with his father and brother in Cookham.  Maybe he stayed at work during the week because of the logistics of traveling to Cookham from Maidemhead every day – returning at W/Es.  A second Alice was born Dec so would not appear on this census.

Events between 1851 and 1861
1851 A second Alice Harding is born to Emma Harding  Cookham Dec ¼ 1851 V1 179) this does not appear in the Cookham Union records. (There is only one Alice Harding born  Cookham in 1851)  There are other Alice Hardings born later but this one fits with her familys bad fortune in 1861.  Could well be wrong!
1854  William Harding is born 28 Jan 1854 Bap. 27 Feb 1854  from Cookham Union Records   William becomes known as Henry and Harry.  He was my Great Grandfather and I have followed him down to me.
1857 Emma Harding born in the Cookham Union 4 Apr. 1857 Bap. 8 May 1857 from the Cookham Union Records.  (This could be Emily as names did seem to be changed about see next sentence and 1871 census)
1859    Twins are born William and Susan Harding Dec ¼ 1859 Susan is registered as Louisa but on the '61 census is called  Susan.

1861Census   RG09 Piece 754 Folio 86 Page 29
Alice Harding age 10, scholar, pauper born Cookham
1861 Census   RG09 Piece 754 Folio 62 Page 48
William and Emma are living at 34 The Barracks Maidenhead with  Henry (reg William) age 7, Emily (possibly Emma) age 4 , William and Susan (reg. Louisa) 2c 366 Cookham
1861 Sep ¼  William Harding died age 21 months followed by Louisa  Oct ¼ age 22 months
There is no Ellen now aged 19
Note:  The Barracks was a very unsavoury place to live (also known as Tyrells Buildings at some stage)  the twins died whilst they were living there.

1871 Census RG 10 Piece 1292 Folio 58 Page 42 William and daughter Emily
William transcribed as HARDNY  Father 40 and Emily daughter 15 they  (could be Emma?) are living in East Street Maidenhead.  There is a death on FBMD for an Emily Mary Harding Dec. ¼ 1875 aged 14 age is out by 4 years but who knows?  There is no sign of his wife Emma.


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Re: Abiams Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 12:09 UTC (UK) »



Continued

BUT

1871 Census  RG 10  870  55  17
Since asking to have this scavenger hunt and whilst trying to make sure I had the right information I found this entry:
Eluna Harding aged 45 and Ellen Ryan aged 24.  The record states that Eluna (on FMP it is Elima) is the mother of Ellen.  They are lodgers in Mortlake Surrey and are both termed married and born Cookham.  But I cannot find a marriage for Ellen.   Could this be Eleanor?    I feel it might be as they were obviously very poor and Emma had lost their twins as babies.  Maybe she just could not cope.

1881 Census RG 11 Piece 1317 Folio 10 Page 14
William 54, Amma (Emma) 58 and Alice 25 (should be 30)  living at 24 Norfolk Park Cottages Maidenhead. The first time I have found Alice with her parents previously (1871) she was lodging in Cookham High Street and training as a dressmaker.  Alice's age out by about 5 years but her age is near enough in 1891 and 1901.
1891Census RG12 Piece 1005 Folio 69 Page 27
William 64 Bricklayer  Emma  73 Alice 40 Dressmaker living at 7 Risboro Road
1901William Harding died Jun ¼ 1900 age 73 2c 269
1901 Census RG13 Piece 1161 Folio 133 Page 27
Emma Widow 78, Alice 49 living at 13 Risboro Road
Emma died Mar. 1902 and Alice in Mar 1926
Risboro Road and Norfolk Park Cottages are within a hundred yards of each other.
Note: On the 1861 census the address of the Cookham Union is given as Harrow Lane  Cookham Maidenhead.

Notes on name changes:
Eleanor 1842 poss Ellen?
William 1854 bap. William but called Henry then Harry
Louisa 1859 reg. Louisa but Susan on  1861 census
Emma 1857 bap Emma but poss Emily on 1861 census?
If Eluna is not the Emma I am looking for where is she in 1871?
Can anyone find what happened to Eleanor (Ellen)?
Was Emma really Emily and what happened to her?

An unhappy and unlucky family and any help to find out what happened to them would be most appreciated,
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Re: Abiams Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 12:14 UTC (UK) »

Emma Harding
death  1902  mar qtr
age 80
Maidenhead  2c  292
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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 13:42 UTC (UK) »

Hi - I've got my Berkshire burials disk out, not sure how much use it will be but I can confirm that

Alice Tuckwell was buried 4th Aug 1848 aged 16m  of the Union
Joseph Tuckwell was buried 6th Jan 1843 aged 67 of The Union
Levinia Tuckwell was buried 31st MAy 1848 aged 72 of Bray

All at Cookham Holy Trinity Church

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 13:59 UTC (UK) »

Hmm I don't think that death for Emily Mary Harding aged 14 is for your Emma

I have found a family in the 1871 census in Park Street Bray with Elizabeth Harding 45 year old widow and one of her children is Emily M Harding aged 9,  I can confirm from the burials that it took place in Bray,  though the residence is given as Maidenhead

23rd Dec 1875 Emily Mary Harding aged 14

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Re: Abiams Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 14:21 UTC (UK) »

An Emma Harding married William Stubbles Dec qtr 1881 Cookham 2c 879.  Have found them on 1891 and 1901 census with Emma giving her POB as Cookham.  Problem is, her age is slightly off - e.g on 1901 she appears to have been born in 1861.

1891 ref:RG12; Piece: 1005; Folio 92; Page 21
1901 ref:RG13; Piece: 1160; Folio: 119; Page: 24
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Re: Abiams Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 14:30 UTC (UK) »

Hmmmm, can someone else who has Ancestry have a look here: RG11; Piece: 1356; Folio: 37; Page: 2, and see if they can work out why Emily Lake would have a little yellow triangle thingy suggesting her name could be Emily Harding?  I thought Ancestry only allowed the triangles if there was evidence on the census page (eg a married daughter back with her parents).  There is a marriage on FBMD between Edward Lake and Emily Harding Jun qtr 1877 Holborn 1b 996
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 15:02 UTC (UK) »

I notice on that census that the baby was born Maidenhead, despite the family living in Hanwell where the older child was born. This suggests Emily went to stay with family in Maidenhead in late 1880 when he was born. That would tie up with Emily's parents living in Maidenhead in 1881.
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Re: Abiams Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 16:04 UTC (UK) »

 Cheesy Hello Abiam, and everyone,
Back later...
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Re: Abiams Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 16:22 UTC (UK) »

Hello everyone, apologies for not getting back sooner,  But I kept getting "No new Messages"!

Right, probably not Emily's death and the Lake marriage looks good.
Will go and look at the censuses etc. 

Any ideas as to whether Mother Emma is the strange sounding lady in Mortlake and if her daughter is Eleanor/Ellen?  and the Ellen Ryan marriage?
Do we think Emma born 1857 is really Emily I'm confusing myself now.

Will go and have a look ,
thank you everyone, back later,
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Re: Abiams Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 17:17 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

I have had a better look and think the Ed. Lake marriage is the right one as it matches Emma/Emily's age.  Also I think the yellow sticker is probably as Jaywit suggests because she had the baby back in Cookham/Maidenhead.  And under the sticker it says EMMA Harding not Emily!  I think Emma and Emily are the same person.

Thank you jc26red and DebbieG for confirming the deaths and Debbie for putting the death of Emily Mary out of the picture.

Now Eleanor/Ellen.........................
Cheers,
Abriam
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« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 19:41 UTC (UK) »

 How about this one..  Huh Is it to far away...

Marriages Dec 1871   (>99%)

Hardman  Ellen     
Ryan  Edward     

Manchester  8d 221
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« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 20:05 UTC (UK) »

from Berks FHS

"These (tramps and vagrants) were catered for the Cookham Union workhouse which opened in 1835 on the corner of Courthouse and St Marks Road.  By 1840 they were taking in 180 vagrants per week and some years over 10,000 were accommodated."  Luke Over: "The Story of Maidenhead"  This book contains some more information about the Workhouse p44-45.  Some more down to earth recollections of it in the 1920s and 1930s are in a limited publication book "Furze Platt Remembered" by Ray Knibbs - copies are in Maidenhead Library. Norman Longmate has written a history of Workhouses but I cannot remember the exact title.  It is said that the workhouses were set up originally to deter the able bodied from being idle and living on parish relief rather than working but quickly became the refuge of all sorts of people who were unfortunate: elderly and infirm people, unmarried mothers, people with learning difficulties and children whose parents were admitted, orphans, sick poor who couldn't be nursed at home but could not afford a hospital.
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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 20:08 UTC (UK) »

not finding much on Emma

IGI for Cookham seems to end at 1812

presumably you have seen this

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Cookham/Cookham.shtml
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« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 28 April 09 20:27 UTC (UK) »

Hiya,
From Abiam
Note: On the 1861 census the address of the Cookham Union is given as Harrow Lane  Cookham Maidenhead.


Harrow Lane is in North Town.  Did the Union have aan "Annex" up there, as the main building was (and still is) in St Marks/Courthouse.

I'm still trying to get into the 1871 for 'Eluna' in Mortlake  Huh
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