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AMBLY
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Re: crossan
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 23:18 UTC (UK) »
I guess it's  fortunate to have Michael CROSSAN and Elizabeth MARTIN on the Census in 1851 - especially if they are, and remained unmarried. I do just wish to check though, that the actual image clearly showed them both as single people?? Because it wasn't uncommon in Scottish census to find a married (or widowed) woman listed under her maiden surname, often with her husband in the same house.  Also to point out, Elizabeth was listed as born in Ireland as well as Michael.

Do you have the death certificate for Mary KELT nee CROSSAN , Angela?
This might be the next best step, to see what it might say about her parents.

It's a bad question - because I've seen the great number of children Mary and Robert KELT had!  But do you have birth certificates of all the children, to check consistency in the name and maiden name of the mother, Mary?

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On Scotlands People there is a death of a Michael Crossan in 1891 aged 53 - but he doesn't seem to be your's either.
But I thought I would check anyway just in case the age was wrong and as he seems to be the only Michael Crossan death in Barrhead.
He is a dryhouse labourer married to Alice Machan. Death at Dovehill, barrhead. His parents are Patrick Crossan and Mary L  (both deceased). Death informed by Margaret Cook, daughter

This has so  many similarities Michael CROSSON at Dovehill Barrhead in 1881 who was a Coalminer then and whose wife was Helen/Ellen MACHIN.
If it's the same man, the age 53 on the certificate, going by his Census 1861-1881,  is understated by about 7 years.  And one would have thought the daughter Margaret would have known the name of her own mother!  though it was not uncommon for children not to know the true ages of their parents.

The man who died,  is on the 1891 Census - be interesting to see the original for his age (53 and 58 can be misread for each other):
Dovehill St Russides Rd - Barrhead & Levern, Renfrewshire
Head: Michael CROSSAN 58, dryhouse labourer, b Ireland
Wife: Alice CROSSAN 58, b Ayrshire

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AMBLY
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Re: crossan
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 30 April 09 11:44 UTC (UK) »
I will send you the original SP image either this evening or tomorrow, just in case I have read it wrongly.


An excel version of the 1851 Barrhead census is available free on barrhead-scotland.com. Both Michael Crosson and Elizabeth Martin are listed as unmarried.

The only other suggestion is if the family stayed in Barrhead - I could check the Barrhead News for a death of Mary. Barrhead News commenced in 1899, so a death after that date may be noted. About 99% of the time, there is nothing in the paper, but if Mary said in Barrhead, it might be worth a try.

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Z
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Re: crossan
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 21:20 UTC (UK) »
Hi Angela

Sorry there is nothing in the records in Barrhead Library re Crossan or Martin. There is no mention of a birth or marriage - spoke to the librarians, and we were wondering whether it may have been a Catholic marriage and birth, hence why there is nothing.

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Re: crossan
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 21:40 UTC (UK) »
 You are awesome to take the time to do that THANK YOU!!
. Their daughter got married at
Dovecothall Abbey landworth on
1877
it says
after banns according to the forms of church of scotland.
What religion does this make her?
Was Abbey the name of the church or is it a place
How does that make a difference.
Angela
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Re: crossan
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 25 June 09 09:16 UTC (UK) »
Hi Angela

If Mary was married according to the banns of the Church of Scotland, it means she was married in a protestant ceremony. Abbey is the parish, not the church she was married in. Mary's marriage certificate should tell you where is was married.

The chat I had with Rosetta at the Barrhead Library was that Michael Crossan may have been catholic and if Michael and Elizabeth got married, it may have been a catholic marriage and hence why the records are not appearing on the OPR. Mary could either have been illegitimate or perhaps baptised a Catholic.  All the local Catholic records for St John's church from 1841 to 1941 were seemingly destroyed in the fire which destroyed the original church. The National Catholic Archives have a record of St John's parish from 1841-1941, it may be worthwhile checking these out, if nothing else just to rule out whether or not Michael and/or Elizabeth was Catholic.

Sorry it hasn't been more helpful.
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Re: crossan
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 11 October 09 09:47 UTC (UK) »
Hi Angela

I have been having a rummage around the Catholic Records loaded on Scotlands People for St John's Barrhead, and unfortunately Mary Crosson isn't there either.

The searches I did were Barrhead St John's 1703-1897 search CROS% and left the first name blank.  No parents called Michael and Elizabeth, only Michael Crossan is one married to Ellen Meohan/Meikan.

Also did a search for the same dates for the surname MARTIN, no first names in case she had been registered under her mother's name. But alas not there either.

No return for the wild card search M%Cros% in Barrhead.

Sorry it doesn't help but may save you using some SP credits.

Regards

Z
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