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angelai
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crossan
« on: Wednesday 29 April 09 03:30 UTC (UK) » |
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Can anyone tell me where to try next. My grand parents MICHAEL CROSSAN born 1831 IN iRELAND and ELIZABETH MARTIN CROSSAN BORN 1829 were on a 1851 census in Barrhead Renfrew they were unmarried at the time and there is no trace of them again until 1855 when their daughter Mary is born at Abbey (landward) paisley. I have tried Scotlands people for BMD and cannot find anything on it. Then they disappear until 1877 at Abbey (landworth) on their daughters marriage certificate it does not say deceased. Anyone any idea where I should search next.
Thanks Angela
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AMBLY
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Re: crossan
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 11:33 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Angela
If their daughter Mary was born & registered in 1855 :
What does the birth cert say about the Marriage of parents?
Any other siblings preceding her?
When you say they re-appear in 1877 - is that appearance their names on Mary's marriage record?
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AMBLY
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angelai
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Re: crossan
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 11:42 UTC (UK) » |
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Yes.They were on daughter Mary's marriage certificate. so I know that they were still alive. In the 1851 Census they were lodger and unmarried. I cannot find a marriage cert or death cert on scotland people. I have tried typing all different ways possible.
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AMBLY
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Re: crossan
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 11:56 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Again
Have you found a birth certificate for Mary? In 1855, birth certificates of recorded the date and place of marriage of the parents and the names of any earlier children already born to the couple.
I can see the 1851 Census as you say (I assume the actual image does record both of them as "S"ingle or "Unm"arried?
Just because the marriage certificate of Mary does not record either of her parents as deceased, it doesn't mean they weren't.
What do you think of the look of these:
1871: 1 Orchard Road, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire
Parish 628: ED: 10 / Page: 13 - HS 42/1
Head: Michael CROSSON 40, Coal Miner, b Ireland
Wife: Ellen CROSSON 38, b Killwining, Ayrshire
Dau: Margret CROSSON 14, b Paisley Renfrewshire (could this be your Mary?)
Dau: Ellen CROSSON 6, b East Cuier?? , Lanarkshire
1881: Dove hill , Barrhead, Abbey Paisley Renfrew
Parish 572/2 - ED: 11 / Page: 23 - HS 107
Head: Michael CROSSAN 50, General Labourer, b Ireland
Wife: Ellin CROSSAN 48, b Killwining, Ayrshire
Dau: Ellen CROSSAN 16, Field Worker, b Shettleston, Lanarkshire
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AMBLY
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Re: crossan
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 12:11 UTC (UK) » |
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Michael CROSSAN and Helen MICHAN married 6 May 1854, Neilston, Renfrew (IGI)
ISSUE (IGI)
Margaret - born 9 Jan 1857, Abbey Paisley, Renfrew
Ellen - born 22 Apr 1859, Abbey Paisley, Renfrew
Helen - born 7 Nov 1864, Shettleston, Lanark
James - born 8 Jun 1869 Cambusnethan, Lanark (a twin to Hannah?)
Hannah - born 8 Jun 1869 Cambusnethan, Lanark
(Female) b 6 Oct 1867 Cambusnethan, Lanark
1861: Nitshill - Abbey Landward, Paisley, Renfrewshire
Head: Machael?? CROSSAN 31, Coal Miner, b Ireland
Wife; Ellen 32, b Kilwinning Ayr
Son: James 6 ,Scholar, b Nitshill
Dau: Margrat 4, b Nitshill
Dau: Ellen 1, b Nitshill
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AMBLY
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angelai
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Re: crossan
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 12:28 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi ambly
I am not sure if this is the same one. On her marriage certificate the mothers name was elizabeth Martin. On the birth certificate I don't know it does not look like that. I will try and crop it and send it to see if you can help me read it.
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Re: crossan
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 12:45 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Angela
Because you're having so much trouble finding anything on SP, I'm wondering if there is much more to this than meets the eye. Either illigitimacy or death/remarriage.....I'm leaning toward the former, I have to say! Would be happy to see if I can help - I'll PM you my email addy if you like so I can see the whole thing? Might be easier.
Meantime, can you tell me who Mary married, and if you have her on any Census at all - pre and post marriage?
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AMBLY
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angelai
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Re: crossan
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 12:53 UTC (UK) » |
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Mary married Robert Kelt I have their marriage ,census death cert and birth of all there children she can be track from then on
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AMBLY
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Re: crossan
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 13:50 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Angela
I'm afraid that birth cert is not your Mary's - oh that it were, since it is an 1855 one, but sadly not....
The image quality isn't the best - so much so the father's first name and half is occupation beneath it, is totally obscured - when marriage book was scanned his name was bent into the binding of the open book. If it had of been your Mary, I'd suggest you contact SP and request a better image but....
This is what I got:
BIRTH: Glasgow , Lanarkshire, 1855
Mary CROSSAN born March twentyeight at 1h? am at 48 Bell St Glasgow
Father: -------CROSSAN, occ: --------? age: 31??
Mother: Letitia CROSSAN maiden name HARRISON??
5th child, 27 years ( ie: Mary is her 5th-born child, Letitia is 27)
Parents Married: 1845 Glasgow
Aside from the newborn Mary, they have 1 girl child living, and 2 boys and a girl are all deceased
Informant: Can't make it out at all.
The IGI has this birth in an extracted record:
Mary CROSSAN born 28 Mar 1855, Glasgow to William CROSSAN and Letitia HARRIGAN.
I see them on 1851 (before their dau Mary was born) but don't immediately see them in 1861.
In addition:
In the 1881 Census of Glasgow Barony - your Mary, now Mrs KELT - says she is 27 & born at Dovecothall, Abbey Landward, Renfrewshire.
In the 1901 Census of Bridgeton Glasgow, she says age 45 & born Barrhead, Renfrewshire
I had a look at the address Dovecothall in 1851, Neilston Renfrew - can't see any CROSSAN or MARTIN.
I'll just have a look at the marriage now (just recieved it ta  )
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AMBLY
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Re: crossan
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 14:07 UTC (UK) » |
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The marriage cert: 18 May 1877 - Married at Dovecothall, Abbey Landward, Renfrew:
Mary CROSSON Spinster 22, of Dovecothall, dau of Michael CROSSON Ag Lab. and and Elizabeth CROSSON, ms MARTIN (Dec).
Witness' were John WHYTE and Mary BUSTARD.
This cert does, in fact, say that Elizabeth CROSSAN nee MARTIN is deceased. What I'm not sure abt is if that "Dec" notation is meant to refer to the pair of them (ie Michael also) or just to Elizabeth.
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AMBLY
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angelai
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Re: crossan
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 14:58 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Abbey
Thank you for all your help I will keep trying to solve the puzzle.
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Murphyz
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Re: crossan
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 18:06 UTC (UK) » |
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On Scotlands People there is a death of a Michael Crossan in 1891 aged 53 - but he doesn't seem to be your's either.
But I thought I would check anyway just in case the age was wrong and as he seems to be the only Michael Crossan death in Barrhead.
He is a dryhouse labourer married to Alice Machan. Death at Dovehill, barrhead. His parents are Patrick Crossan and Mary L  (both deceased). Death informed by Margaret Cook, daughter.
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angelai
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Re: crossan
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 18:31 UTC (UK) » |
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Thank you! Sorry you wasted your credits.
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angelai
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Re: crossan
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 18:41 UTC (UK) » |
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He was a coalminer I will see if there is anything on any of the miner websites for that area. If he was dead in 1877 then he died young.46-50
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Murphyz
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Re: crossan
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 29 April 09 20:00 UTC (UK) » |
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I checked from 1877 onwards as I assumed he was alive at the wedding - I'll check from 1855 to 1877, but it will be tomorrow evening.
I have pulled out the 1856 maps of barrhead and there is no poor house mentioned at Lochlibo Road.
I just can't think what the N/R stands for - perhaps it is just near road. There were many "raws" in Barrhead, but nailer's raw was at the other end of the town.
1829 Charles Taylor's book says there is a pit worked at the wood at Loch libo, by the Loch Libo Coal Company.
Robert Murray's book mentions that there was a coal stream worked to the left of Kelburn Street by the Arthurlie Colliery in the 1840s.
Lochlibo Road runs from Kelburn Street in Barrhead all the way down passed Uplawmoor, through Burnhouse towards Irvine. But if the census says Barrhead, I am assuming they would be close to Kelburn Street.
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