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Topic: McCall, Ness, Arnott families from Fife (Read 951 times)
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Lorand
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I am searching for ancestors or decendants of:-
George McCall b circa 1846 married Ann Galloway
Their son - James McCall b circa 1864 in Baillieston married Christina Ness b 1867
Both George and son James were head gardeners in Falkland (probably the palace)
The Ness family were coach hirers.
James and Christina's son was my grandfather, Archibald.
My grandmother was Mary Clark Arnott b 1897. Her parents were William Arnott and Janet Gilmour Balfour.
They were from coal mining families in the Auchterderran area.
I would be grateful for any info on these families.
Lorraine
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ewatson11
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Do you know who Christina Ness's parents are? My husband's family have Ness in his family and they are from Falkland?
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Emma
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MonicaLesl
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HI Lorraine
Just putting a link to the McCall post on the Lanarkshire board so that people don't repeat any searches already done 
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,378799.0.html
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Chiad Fhear
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Robert Ness b 20.1.1842 Falkland m on 14.6.1865 Falkland to Catherine Dowie b 22.12.1841 Kettle, Fife
Children:
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Mary Ness b 1.5.1878 Falkland 2.4.1908 Temperance Hotel Falkland m to Andrew Laing
Hi Sheenie
I'm interested in the Ness / Laing connection in the quote. Have you the parents of Andrew by any chance?
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Aye mair questions than answers in a world where the past was a different place - that cannae be revisited! Family surnames being researched ... Crawford, Neilson, Lindsay, Reekie, Davidson Drummond, Pearson, Laing ... will do for starters but there's a whole lot more! Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Chiad Fhear
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Hi Sheenie
I note your comment about the Laings in Fife and will have another look at it.
I also picked up on your comment:
Note you are also researching Rollo - my x2 Gt Grandmother is a Rollo from Fife - would be interested to see if there is any connection there.
From somewhere I've picked up on a Rollo family who I think are all in Australia although from Fife originally but I can't now remember just how they connect into my tree:
JOHN ROLLO was born Abt. 1884 in Newport-on-Tay, Fife. He married JANE HENDERSON TODD 09 Aug 1913 in Brisbane, Australia, daughter of WILLIAM TODD and SARAH BLACK. She was born Feb 1889 in Edinburgh, Midlothian, and died 16 Mar 1981 in Brisbane, Australia.
Children of JOHN ROLLO and JANE TODD are:
i. JACK LORD ROLLO, b. May 1915, Wellington, New Zealand; m. CONNIE SHEPHERD.
ii. WILLIAM TODD ROLLO, b. 14 Nov 1916, New Zealand; m. SALLY PEMBERTON; b. 14 Jun 1914.
iii. MARGARETTA SIMPSON ROLLO, b. 15 Jun 1917, New Zealand.
iv. JAMES ALEXANDER TODD ROLLO, b. 24 Nov 1922, Queensland, Australia; d. 18 Mar 1982, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.
v. MORTON ANDREW ROLLO, b. 04 Oct 1926, Queensland, Australia; d. Apr 1956, Queensland, Australia.
I've also been doing a bit of research for a Rollo friend who heads up a legal firm near here. His father had a relation of mine working for the firm - Isabella Ina Rollo Smith Pryde who was born in Ceres, Fife. Her husband Alfred Gee's family have Australian connections as well. He was born in Bedale, Yorkshire.
I've another Rollo line where:
SUSAN ROLLO was born 10 Dec 1858 in Barnsmuir Farm, Kilrenny, Fife, and died 13 Jan 1884 in St Ford, Kilconquhar, Fife. She married JAMES DRUMMOND 21 May 1880 in Anstruther Wester, Fife, son of STEPHEN DRUMMOND and HELEN ROBERTSON. He was born 11 Jan 1857 in Burnside Farm, Kilrenny, Fife, and died 17 Apr 1933 in Charleton, Colinsburgh, Fife.
I am James Drummond's first cousin twice removed and I have Susan Rollo's line back to her Great Grandparents in about 1750.
I can't include all the information here but if you think there's any connection, please send me a PM with your email and we can exchange info.
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Aye mair questions than answers in a world where the past was a different place - that cannae be revisited! Family surnames being researched ... Crawford, Neilson, Lindsay, Reekie, Davidson Drummond, Pearson, Laing ... will do for starters but there's a whole lot more! Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Lorand
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Dear Sheenie and Emma,
James McCall and Christina Ness, married 7/11/1890 in Falkland, were my g-g-grandparents. Their children were as follows:
George b 20/12/1890-1 m Jean, children - Mary, Christine and James
Robert m Isa - daughter, Marjory
James ? not sure what happened to him, maybe killed in WW1.
Archibald Ness McCall b 7/6/1897, d 16/9/1971
Catherine (Kate) b July 1899 m Charles, children - William, James, Christine.
John b April 1903 m Jean 1928 in Dunkeld
Elizabeth (Liz) b April 1909 m George Gordon - son Ian b 1938 - grandchildren Lesley born May 1968 and Andrew Scott Gordon b 28/3/1971.-
Family lived in Kinross.
Archibald was my grandfather m Mary Clark Arnott 1921. They immigrated to S Africa in 1929 They had three children, Janet (my mother) Christine and James.
I would love to hear from anyone who is a descendant of any of my grandfather's siblings, particularly the Gordon family (Liz and George) as I have a photo of a family group in Kinross
Thanks Lorraine
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Bentley Tennant
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Sheenie
I am a descendant of Walter Ness b1807 and Jane Haxton ( Sometimes listed in OPR as Jean Halkerston) and not Maxton as in your post. David Ness b1811 married Elizabeth Kilgour in 1856 after the death of Barbara Renton and Janet Ness b1820 married William Swan in 1843. I was wondering where you got the information that Ann Ness b1809 married a Mr Black?
Thanks
David
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Bentley Tennant
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Hello Sheenie
As you know Barbara Waddell was b1779, the daughter of Walter Waddell and Ann Birrell, she had siblings Margaret b1775, James b1777 and Henry b1780, all born in the Parish of Kettle. It's my belief that Ann Birrell was the daughter of James and Margaret Birrell, there are births of a Margaret and Henry Birrel to this couple in the 1740's at Kettle. James Birrell is possibly the son of James Birrell and Marion Bron.
William Ness and Barbara Waddell were both alive in the 1841 Census, William was listed as a Handloom Linen Weaver( HLW), aged 60, as ages were often rounded down to the nearest 5, this would give a possible birth date of 1776 - 1781. The names of the children of this couple are of interest, Walter, Ann, David, Harry(mostly listed as Henry), Robert and Janet. The names Walter, Ann and Henry are all from the Waddell/Birrell side. I have always wondered why there were four sons and none of them were called William, as you know the informant on Ann Black's death certificate was her brother William, I wonder if he was her half brother. William Ness a HLW died on 30-01-1884 aged 78years at Freuchie, he was the son of Elspeth Hughes and William Ness, a HLW was his REPUTED father. OPR list William being born 26-05-1805 to William Ness and Elspit Heugh, there is also a birth of a Mary Ness born 20-11-1803 to William Ness and Euphan Heugh. It's a possibility therefore that William Ness husband of Barbara Waddell may be the son of William Ness and Mary Gourlie born 8-10-1780, he may have had these illegitimate children Mary and William and that would explain why these names were not used for any of the children born to Barbara Waddell and that would also explain why her first two children bore names from the Waddell side.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts on this theory.
David
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Bentley Tennant
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Hello Sheenie
Like you I have never found a marriage record for William and Barbara and yes I agree on their death records.
David Ness and Margaret Gourley were married 25-11-1774 at Falkland Parish and Alexander Ness and Mary Gourlay were married 20-11-1779 at Falkland Parish, these are definitely two separate families.
I have been unable to find a marriage record for William Ness marrying either Mary or Margaret Gourlie.
It's a bit difficult to fathom, there is a birth of a Jacobina Ness born 1797 to an Alexander Ness and Isabel Gourlay as well. The names of Ness and Gourlay are not particularly common, yet there are potentially four or five Ness/Gourlay marriages, it's very confusing.
David
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